Am i the only one with NO empathy for the Cinema Massacre?

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25 Jul 2012, 7:11 pm

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Funnily, I don't think most people feel bad if they kill an ant.
I do because I wonder if it is immoral or considered murder.


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25 Jul 2012, 7:12 pm

One thing I've learned is 'aspie lack of empathy' is apparently true for some

I doubt any NT forum would entertain these discussions..... without certain members cyber hunting down and persecuting the non carers....

just as well we are aspie friendly and understanding of difference :D



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25 Jul 2012, 7:25 pm

thomas81 wrote:
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Well technically a gun can't get up and kill someone therefore it would make sense people kill people with guns rather than guns themselves killing people.


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Also its not like anyone regardless of criminal record can go legally buy a gun they do background checks.

great, so even if you're an experienced mass murderer you can still get guns if becoming one is your ambition.

The point is lack of guns isn't likely to stop a mass murderer since there are other weapons....so I am not sure what you mean.

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Also how would taking guns from the citizens prevent these massacres from continuing?.

I think Mr Izzard above has articulated it as eloquently as i ever could hope to.


I might watch it later but I doubt that will convince me...


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25 Jul 2012, 7:30 pm

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Guns have one role and one role only, and that is to send hot chunks of lead tearing through peoples internal organs. They have no other role or use.


I wasn't aware that when people go hunting in the forest their goal is to shoot people.


Ok, the role of guns is to launch bullets through internal organs. Happy?


Its a little more accurate.


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25 Jul 2012, 7:49 pm

alecazam3567 wrote:
...it's logic. Really, I don't know them, so it doesn't affect me. Nor can I relate to it.
You make a good point, but this is how I see the situation; I try to analyse any situations like those by first 'logically' (although, you are free to disagree with my use of the word):

A man kills 12 people at random, and injures another 50 or so people.
Then, I asked myself:
"Was there a justifiable or comprehensible reason for him to shoot these people?" i.e. "Were these people endangering his life before these acts?"
The answer to both these questions is "NO".
After I answer these questions, I then come to the conclusion that what he did for was uncalled for, unjustified and therefore 'immoral'.
With this conclusion, I able to understand the core situation; to end my thesis, the very simple reason I am able to sympathize (NOT empathize) is because I understand the dynamics of the situation; it was to those people's misfortune that they were hurt by this man. I pity them because I was fortunate enough to not be put in that situation, and am frankly glad that it did not happen to me.

...I hope that my post will gives you an idea of one some people (mainly myself) can feel sympathy. :)
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It's not even just Asperger's with this, I just think it's logic
Although, one could also argue that Asperger's could make one more sympathetic or empathetic (I know it sound's contradictory, but I shall elaborate on that claim). What I meant by that is that there is also an AS trait specifically about the way one deals with injustice/wrongdoings; intolerance of injustice. Therefore, if one perceives an action- in this case, the killing of those people as 'wrong', the they view them as victims, which means that they feel sorrow and regret for them, and therefore 'sympathy' and maybe 'empathy'.


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25 Jul 2012, 7:55 pm

OP sounds like a dick but it's true. While I want and tell myself I have empathy and compassion for those killed, I feel nothing. I believe what happened was wrong and wish it never happened. However, people die everyday and I have no connection to the people who died. Therefore I think my emotions are appropriate. OP still sounds like a dick though.


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25 Jul 2012, 8:05 pm

I don't really feel much about it. But on the other hand, I don't find that picture funny.

I don't think it's just an aspie thing. Normal people don't actually feel terrible every single time something happens somewhere in the world. But they know that they shouldn't make jokes about it in public, in case someone who was more affected might notice.



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25 Jul 2012, 8:12 pm

bizboy1 wrote:
While I want and tell myself I have empathy and compassion for those killed, I feel nothing. I believe what happened was wrong and wish it never happened. However, people die everyday and I have no connection to the people who died. Therefore I think my emotions are appropriate.
I think your opinion of this is great, and sounds a lot like mine...although, I worry now; have I misinterpreted what sympathy means, or have I confused it with something else?- I don't care for the people, but feel the act of what happened to them was wrong... :?


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25 Jul 2012, 8:13 pm

Anyone have NO empathy for the people who feel bad about the fact that they have no empathy?



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25 Jul 2012, 8:19 pm

It's one thing to feel no empathy, it's extremely immature and attention seeking to brag about it


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25 Jul 2012, 8:38 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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What we have here is the pervasive American mentality that its 'people who kill people, not guns'. I think anyone could agree that removing guns would make it a hell of a lot harder to do the killing. Yes, homemade firearms can be made but selling guns in supermarkets so that they are as easy to obtain as chocolate bars is hardly helping to keep them out of the wrong hands.

You say you want to keep guns in the hands of ordinary citizens, well with that comes with having to allow potential mass murderers access to them too. You cant have your cake and eat it.

I know removing guns out of american circulation is easier said than done and what should be done seldomly resembles what is going to happen, but its either that or such massacres are going to continue. Its the whole stupidity of the situation which tires my ability to be empathetic.


Well technically a gun can't get up and kill someone therefore it would make sense people kill people with guns rather than guns themselves killing people. Also its not like anyone regardless of criminal record can go legally buy a gun they do background checks.

Also how would taking guns from the citizens prevent these massacres from continuing? people could still get them illegally...or use other means of destruction. Unless the government wants to give up their weapons too they have no right to disarm the citizens at least in my opinion.


Exactly. I'll completely disarm when a) all LEO's are disarmed, the state side military is disarmed (they can go off shore to target shoot), politicians and "important people are disarmed, and d) their body guards are disarmed (starting with the secret service).



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25 Jul 2012, 8:56 pm

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I used to be disturbed by things like this, but by now I just worry about what sort of political agenda it's going to be used to push, what stereotypes it might reinforce, who's going to be scapegoated (other than the perp) etc. I'm sure I would feel bad for the people involved if I were to go read in some detail about them, but I'd rather not. It doesn't help anyone.

However, you seem proud of the fact that you're able not to care or something. Perhaps you overestimate the degree to which NTs feel genuine emotions over this sort of thing? I don't really think most of them do - they just express fake emotions because it's socially expected.



In my opinion, Mr. Scarborough did not come to his insights strictly on his own. Behind closed doors, people have been discussing different possibilities. But, this is to be expected and should come as no surprise.

Let me state, something, I'm a strong advocate of freedom of speech BUT you have to understand there are consequences( often-times both positive and negative) THAT come with IT.

Literally speaking, you don't wave a red flag at a bull without knowing THAT there is a chance THAT you can get gored. Unlike other communities, this community frantically waves the proverbial red flag instead of keeping a low profile when certain situations warrant it.

After 9/11 occurred, it would have been foolish for people( especially those who may share characteristics of the terrorists ) to announce to the world THAT they love seeing buildings being blown to smithereens. Such a statement would have brought considerable outrage, hurt feelings beyond measure, and possibly swift retribution from society.

When certain events happen; one has to be careful of what they do, say, and write.

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25 Jul 2012, 9:38 pm

What good would me feeling bad do?
Would it bring any of the dead back?
Would it lessen the grief of the survivors? Maybe if I knew them and expressed sympathy, the feeling of support may help them, but I'm a total stranger and they don't know I exist, let alone what I feel.
The only benefit I see to me feeling bad (which I don't) and expressing it (which I could do whether I feel it or not; "I feel bad" is easy to type whether or not it's true) would be to make me look like a "better" person.


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25 Jul 2012, 9:40 pm

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For those who do not feel sad about what happened, by your own logic, no one should feel sad about you being bullied, or treated bad in general. Afterall, they don't know you, so why should they care about yout. And by that logic, you should have no anger inside of you that no one cares about you, because, well, they do not know you and by your own logic, they are well withing their right not to care anything about you.


I just saw this, and I agree: people who don't know me shouldn't care about me.
And I don't have any anger over the fact that complete strangers don't care about me. They've never met me; what basis is there for caring?


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25 Jul 2012, 9:42 pm

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MomofThree1975 wrote:
For those who do not feel sad about what happened, by your own logic, no one should feel sad about you being bullied, or treated bad in general. Afterall, they don't know you, so why should they care about yout. And by that logic, you should have no anger inside of you that no one cares about you, because, well, they do not know you and by your own logic, they are well withing their right not to care anything about you.


Indeed. The next time that various people on this thread appear in The Haven, moaning that they can't find a girlfriend, or they don't like their parents or whatever gripe it is that day, I presume that they will understand if I reply with 'Well I don't know you, so I don't really care. Your problem doesn't matter to me at all, and frankly, it's pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of things'.


This!!


Not the same thing at all. It's not like any of us are going up to the father and saying "I don't care about your daughter, STFU and stop whining." That would be a nasty thing to do.


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25 Jul 2012, 9:55 pm

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What gets me more though, than the immediate tragedy is the blatant double standards. A quarter of million Iraqis died in the NATO onslaught in that region. Countless more are being killed and mutilated in the crossfire between the Afghani Taliban and NATO. However we seem to tolerate this because its in the 'grander scheme' of the establishment. The Aurora massacre wasn't 'planned' so we lament it. How dare someone spill the blood of privileged westerners on the soil of 'the land of the brave'.


I've actually lamented this specific thing in the past. For some reason, some Americans take such commentary very badly. That is to say, I agree with you.