Aspergers and Drug Use

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As I learned in grade school, the blood gets more red when it has oxygen, and more blue when it has less oxygen. Purple is the color one gets when combining red and blue, meaning blood that is partially but not completely oxygenated. If you look at the veins in your arms or legs (anywhere away from the lungs) they will be blue or purple because the oxygen that the lungs brought in is mostly used up at that point. Purple is the normal color of blood, so if Marijuana makes it purple then it's keeping you healthy


As far as the concern about getting marijuana laced with PCP and/or embalming fluid, that's way overblown. Here is one of the research reports that led to this paranoia:

http://eric.ed.gov/ERICDocs/data/ericdo ... /15/ed.pdf

Yes a few people do stupidly smoke marijuana dipped in embalming fluid (possibly with PCP), but always intentionally... there are no reports of people accidentally finding their marijuana to have it.

They clearly state that dealers always charge a lot more for marijuana that is soaked this way, and that it is usually distributed wet (wrapped in aluminum foil) or by having you dip your smoking material in the dealer's jar of fluid yourself.

Also, the report states that all of the users report a very strong, objectionable, "chemical" taste. This would be obvious as well.

The only time I think someone might accidentally run into this stuff would be if it were "gifted" from someone who was pretty reckless. I think it's good policy not to ingest anything that reckless people give you in any case! A much more likely outcome of doing so would be to end up date raped by someone who gave you ruffies.


I am much more concerned about the possibility of chemicals entering marijuana through the grow process. Because the growing of pot is unregulated and illegal, there is a tendency for the growers to use whatever chemicals make the process quicker/easier. There are reports of people using unsafe pesticides or fertilizers, the kinds designed for use on ornamental plants. In California one can sometimes find organic pot and I always try and go organic where possible.

Then again legally grown tobacco is pretty unregulated as well... the cigarette manufacturers add dozens of different chemicals to cigarette tobacco to manipulate the taste and nicotine content, both during growing and while curing. There really are almost zero laws about what cigarette manufacturers can do to tobacco since it's not considered a food. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that cigarette manufacturers use something similar to embalming fluid in the manufacture of cigarettes, and that would be perfectly legal. The menthol oils added to cigarettes are one example of a volatile organic compound used in manufacturing cigarettes. See this document for a list of hundreds more:

http://www.thememoryhole.org/cig-additives.htm

So I don't have any reason to believe any marijuana is any worse than commerical cigarettes... I'm just worried it might be as bad



My experience with marijuana is ongoing. I've been smoking about every other day on average for a year or so. I simply really like the way it makes me feel. It's like everything is more interesting and alive. I typically get stoned and watch a movie at home, but sometimes go out to clubs and dance with other people. It has opened up some creativity in how I approach things.

But I can also see the negatives. Foremost is the way it makes me unmotivated... it's like I just don't feel like doing anything that is difficult. And socialization is difficult for me, so I tend to be in my own little world when I'm on pot.

There are the legal issues of using an illegal substance... I got busted once and now this will follow me around for the rest of my life in the legal system. I spend a lot of time obsessing on how to use pot without getting caught now, which is time that could better be used for other things. And I think that AS makes me more likely to get addicted, so it does feel like I'm playing with fire.

I'll suggest vaporization and staying in the home to administer herb materials (in case you weren't already aware of this). I believe I made a post about it earlier, so check my post history if you are interested. It's more discreet than smoking because it produces less smells or fumes. I think because of AS I spend far more time obsessing over learning information about drugs as opposed to obsessing over taking the drug. But I think I have learnt some valuable information, as well as boundries I should set. Besides, I find the concept of altered mind-states to be very interesting. But everyone is different, I guess. Actually lately I just take a multi-vitamin, but sometimes I forget to take it. And since I have a vaporizer I can use it to administer other herbs, such as St. John Wort for experimentation and for temporary relief of certain problems.

My thought on purple blood is in-line with your comment. It makes the most sense to me. That, and I believe the few people who made the claim of purple blood and the supposed danger of purple blood failed to back up their claim with a source. There was a "report" mentioned, but no link. I would be interested in seeing it.

I've never done illegal drugs (like weed,crack,LSD,etc.),and I don't ever plan to.I am surrounded by druggies and I'm getting pretty d*** sick of it.I don't drink,either.

HOWEVER,I have smoked before.I still do,but not heavily.I smoke ONLY when I am angry or/and depressed.But I don't ALWAYS do that when I'm angry/depressed.I find it very calming.


-SpaceCase

Thats good SpaceCase. Don't ever get into drugs, it will ruin your life like it ruined mine!

The sober life is much more rewarding

I think that's a mature and wise way of reasoning. Smoking in moderation may be less harmful than the stress and depression. It's all about weighing things up.

I've never felt any desire to do drugs, smoking, or alcohol. i'm pretty much immune to peer pressure too. As for caffeine, i love chocolate and once in awhile i'll have a cola. I gag at the smell of beer, wine, coffee, tea, smoke, as well as most foods. plus i have no desire to alter my mind without knowing the results. way too experimental for me. i also just don't see the point of , say, drinking. it seems like a bunch of sheep just following all the other sheep. ok, so it makes you more socialable. i'd rather do social skills training to permanantly develop my real self social skills. if i want to get a wierd giddy lightheaded feeling, i just have to swing really high on a swing and tip my head back fast. Either that, or stay up real late and eat lots of candy (the proverbial pre-teen sugar high), is REALLY effective for me. I practically go out of my mind. it's still hard explaining to other 20 somethings that ypu've never had a sip of alcohol and you have no desire to do so. They say, "it's not bad, why don't you just try it?"
UGH

Excluding caffeine, I have never used drugs. I drank wine at communion during my four-year stint as a Lutheran (I am a secular humanist now).

Tim

>> if i want to get a wierd giddy lightheaded feeling, i just have to swing really high on a swing and tip my head back fast.

if u've never done it how do you know what the state feels like? Isn't that judging it before you have the information to base a judgement on?

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Pot:
I smoke pot socially. I find it helps me a lot with being more extroverted and sociable. It also keeps me from worrying about things. Smoking with others is a good bonding experience I think. However, I do think there is too much of a good thing. Last night I probably smoked close to an 8th with some casual friends over the course of the night. It was wonderful at the time, but all day today I have been edgy, paranoid, and very very tired even though I slept for 12 hours last night. I think from this point on I'll keep it to only splitting one bowl with several people a night. I rarely smoke more than once every week or two.


Alcohol:
I avoid getting really drunk - too much alcohol makes me depressed. So I mostly drink for the flavor. Ever have a really good Manhattan? I also like good wine with meals. I HATE cheap alcohol though Franzia and cheap cheese and crackers is fun.


Adderall and Caffeine:
I was recently prescribed adderall for my ADD. I don't take it unless I know I will need it later in the day. It certainly helps but its effect is subtle on me. I drink too much caffeine, especially since I bought a new coffee pot.


Antidepressants:
I take 10Mg of Lexapro a day. It is also pretty subtle but it levels me out a bit. It lets me work less hard to get over a depressive episode.


Nacho Cheese:
This stuff is simultaneously SO good and SO bad! Maybe once or twice a year, I buy a gallon of it from Sam's Club and abuse the hell out of it. I do share a lot of it. Last night my stash of cheese survived the onslaught of 7 potheads with the munchies.

i'm not passing judgement on something, i'm saying i don't care to know what it feels like, and i'm not curious. i'm saying that giddyness on a swing, and similar things excites and stimulates my brain and nervous system in a great way and i don't care what else is out there.

i'm not saying, "i hate liver and onions," I'm saying, "i don't care to know what liver and onions is like. chicken fingers makes me happy."

The desire for intoxication is in you because you mentioned playing on a swingset as something to do. Dizziness is a form of intoxication. My thought is that most everyone seeks a form of intoxication from time to time, but goes about it their own way. Your method is pretty healthy, and you're being active at the same time. I would ignore others that say you are being judgmental. First, you don't seem to put down anyone that uses a drug. Second, everyone has their own personal limits. For example, I have tried some drugs, but I will stay away from many drugs. I've stated my preference on forums as you have, only to be put down when mentioning a drug such as heroin as "off-limits". Apparently, heroin isn't so bad, says a random heroin user. I think differently, and I'm simply not interested. I don't need to try it to come to this conclusion.

I don't drink either and I haven't for about a year. I plan to never drink again. The main reason is my pre-diabetes. I've tried drinking but I just do not like it. I worry so much in social situation, and to suddenly impair my judgement like that... It's not good. It's not good for someone like me, since I feel the need to constantly censor myself. I also have to face people who try to get me to drink again. It's embarrassing to mention the pre-diabetes so I just keep saying No. But hardly anyone respects that...

Social skills training is definately a superior method of learning to become sociable, as opposed to drinking (highly unsustainable method).

Ahh, the coffee pot conundrum. I make a pot of coffee, with no one around to share it with... and I feel the need to drink it all! I actually got myself a little French Press to address this issue. It makes about 1.5 cups of coffee instead of my coffee maker, which makes at least 4 cups. I want to quit caffeine, but I have managed to consume minimal amounts of cola and usually sticking to green tea instead of coffee so far. It's hard to quit caffeine completely. It's in so many foodstuffs.

As for pot, a little can go a long way. Especially if using an efficient method of administration such as vaporization (I know I go on and on about it, but I really think all cannabis smokers would find it in their best interests to switch methods ). It's just a matter of waiting to see the effects of a few puffs or so as well. All too often I have seen people go hog wild on their stash, taking it in as fast as they can, only to become far more stoned than intended.

Please don't encourage drug use.

"Going through life without ever having a psychedelic experience is like going through life without ever having sex."
- Terence McKenna

did u know...DMT..the illegal psychadelic drug....is what is secreted from ur pineal gland(3rd eye) at night to let u dream? so by dreaming u are using illegal drugs thereby supporting their use?

They only way to achieve psychoactive effects from DMT is through smoking it. And DMT smoke is downright toxic to the lungs!

Ingesting DMT is a waste. It will be broken down by the stomache acids before entering the bloodstream.

FYI, there are reports of people with brain damage from smoking DMT.

Psychedelic experiences doesn't necessarily involve drugs.

You just about sum it up. I am highly against drugs though. I love coffee though.

Coffee is clearly a drug by any reasonable definition. It's purely through an accident of history which drugs are legal.