aspies lying about i.q.

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I'm not worried. People lie. I doubt anyone has an IQ of 193 but whatever. I wouldn't worry about it a bit. That person is just insecure, like we all are at times.

veering a little off topic, i should mention all the medical "facts" that this guy states are from the t.v. show HOUSE! he thinks he's a genius because he watches house... (i.q. irrelavent) maybe this also makes me skeptical, as i know one does not gain actual knowledge from a fictional and often misleading tv show. they state on that show that a person can only live 11 days without sleep, yet in reality people have gone a bit longer.

This. Intelligence without knowledge is like an ICBM without a warhead. Awesome potential, but no real impact. i.e. You can have an IQ of 190, but if you're flipping burgers at McDonald's it doesn't matter because you've not provided yourself any tangible social benefit from it. Spouting it off to people is going to make you look arrogant, stupid, or both.

In my personal experience, despite my intellectual propensity being well beyond that of my GED, it doesn't mean anything to anyone unless I've achieved something with it. I know that if I want to take advantage of my intellect I have to educate myself.

Or you might revolutionize the burger-flipping process at McDonald's, redesigning it so as to gain a 10% savings in work time. Of course, your manager would just be annoyed because you're not doing it the "right way", so you wouldn't get anywhere with it, but profoundly gifted people for the most part can't just stand there and not think. It's as natural to them as breathing, and nearly as uncomfortable for them to stop doing. Heck, I'm just run-of-the-mill gifted and it's uncomfortable for me.

Aspies are generally known for their honesty, although there is a type of Aspie that lies because of lack of empathy for the impact on others (see Tony Attwood's writings).

I can't see why people would lie online, because they know that no-one can check it and therefore it would be obvious that it should be taken with a pinch of salt, thereby nullifying the need to lie in the first place due to lack of impact.

Although my school reports don't reflect my level of intelligence, I took the Mensa home test in recent years, and despite my difficulties in maths I scored in the top 3% of the population. I don't know what my IQ number is, and I could tell you I have the Mensa letter to prove my intelligence, but again that would be pointless because I would black out my personal details for security but either way you could say I had got someone else's letter or faked the letter.

I just don't see why people would lie about their IQ, unless they are trolling and probably not even Aspie.

Last edited by whirlingmind on 26 Nov 2012, 8:42 am, edited 1 time in total.

I don't really assign that much importance to achievements as you've described them.

What I meant in my above post was that sometimes they let gifted students skip grades, but sometimes they only allow the students to skip grades if said student has shown that they are academically ready. I also think it is probably better to keep gifted students in step with their peers, but educate them with other gifted students rather than expecting them to learn alongside students who aren't gifted.

I was almost held back twice, and actually held back once, because my academic performance was terrible, despite being gifted. Actually, being defined as a genius (as in, three standard deviations above typical - or an IQ in the 145-159 range).

I think when I mention that people think I'm bragging, but I don't really place much stock in IQ scores - as someone else said, that and five dollars will get you a cup of coffee. I mention it usually in response to sweeping claims about what having a high IQ score should mean. The last time was in response to a statement that a severely autistic genius would be able to achieve more than a mildly autistic person of average IQ. I do not consider myself to be severely autistic, and I do not know if I would still test as a genius, but I do know that I have a lot of difficulties that my IQ score doesn't help me with.

I'm now digressing, as I am not sure what the above has to do with your post. I did really like your analogy about the ICBM without the warhead, although I think it is not really "knowledge" that is the determining factor. I suspect there are others like ability to focus and manage one's own behavior. I know a lot, but I am not able to put a lot of that knowledge to much practical use. Or more accurately, I can't use it to find a means to support myself and live independently. I do, however, get some benefit from it, and my life is not devoid of achievement.

A person with severe autistic traits and high intelligence can be higher functioning than a person with milder autistic traits and lower intelligence, that was the point in the thread about the DSM-5 that led to the discussion of intelligence and autism.

I agree with that. It was true for me, particularly as a child. I used intelligence to develop into a higher functioning person than would be predicted from the severity of my autistic traits. Severe autistic traits doesn't mean low-functioning. Mild autistic traits doesn't mean high-functioning. There are other factors involved, including intelligence and also whether the person has any other conditions besides autism.

Well said. I just want to add environment to what you said since even the most stereotypical NT can be low functioning depending on the environment they grew up in or even find themselves in as adults.

That's because IQ IS a crock... It's supposed to measure how well you learn things, supposedly... But how can it possibly do that? That only works if you've been exposed to the information required to answer the questions being asked. What if you were never exposed? It would make it appear as though you just couldn't learn it, when in fact, you might pick it up incredibly easily. Then one must also consider the fact that different people learn better when information is presented a certain way. Maybe the teacher you had just completely sucked balls at explaining it in a way that made sense to you... It doesn't mean you can't learn it, it just means you can't learn it the way they attempted teaching it to you.

For what it's worth, I took an IQ test on the internet somewhere around 8 years ago. According to it, my IQ was 145.

May I ask... What's the difference between an online test and a "real" one?

This depends how you qualify the term 'real IQ test'.

A purist would probably tell you that a 'real IQ test' is one which is taken under examination conditions and which is approved by Mensa.

Fun fact: Mcdonald's doesn't flip their burgers at all.

Someone with a high IQ more than likely figured out how to make that possible.

The short version. A real one measures more than just the answers you get right. It's meant as a tool for determining a persons strengths and weaknesses. The actual IQ score that everyone raves about is next to meaningless. Online IQ test measure the meaningless score only and the number they generate has an unknown correlation to any other IQ test. Real IQ tests have been around for almost a century and have sampled a broad spectrum of the general population. Online IQ tests have been around for a few years and measure people who are interested in IQ. Real IQ tests can not be repeated over and over to improve your score. Online test..... you get the idea.

IQ tests are useful, FSIQ scores (or their approximations) are not.

A real IQ test is administered by a proctor or clinical psychologist and is an instrument that has been evaluated by experts in intelligence psychology, tested empirically on a large sample and successfully validated, and for which significant correlations with life outcome have been identified in the research. Each version of the test involves many years of considerable effort, including many man-hours and a large financial investment.

The Stanford-Binet and Wechsler tests are probably the only IQ tests for which there exists a wide consensus of validity among experts (though exactly what IQ indicates, for what purposes it can legitimately be used, and to what extent various biases affect results are controversial), but some people and organization accept other tests (most commonly the Cattell Culture Fair) as well.

To correct an above poster, MENSA is an independent non-profit group with no direct input on or association with standardization, validation, or development of IQ tests. MENSA accepts a wide variety of metrics, many of which have never been subjected to extensive scrutiny. Some of these tests are also aptitude or even achievement tests rather than intelligence tests. MENSA is in no way an authority on intelligence.

Online IQ tests are typically written by people with no relevant education hoping to acquire advertising money. Their results are meaningless.

They used to, before the advent of clamshell grills that enabled them to both cook burgers faster and not flip them. You could just put them down, lower the clamshell and deal with everything else while they cooked.