Female-To-Male Transsexual People Have More Autistic Traits,

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I use the definition of intersex that's on wiki: chromosomal or physiological (not hormonal) abnormalities.

I don't want to be referred to as intersex. That won't make my life any easier. It's not how I see myself, anyway.

EDIT: I will say that I look female, though - but with a deepish voice, excess body/facial hair, big sweat glands, irregular periods, dandruff and the other joys of excess androgens. I produce enough eostrogen to look female, I guess.

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I think what makes PCOS distinct from intersex conditions is that it is usually identified in one's 20s or 30s, whereas most intersex conditions are diagnosed at birth, or at puberty. This is probably horribly oversimplified

What makes PCOS distinct from Intersex is that it's purely hormonal.

I'm not sure if I have PCOS, or just 'excess' androgens, though. Still not intersex.

You're right. It's atypical genital development and/or atypical sex chromosomes (like XO, XXY, etc). The former can be the result of hormonal differences and the latter can cause them, however.

I don't either, but my chemistry in hormone tests say I am as does my voice, hair growth, sweat, and even bone structure. If I didn't have DD breasts (that didn't form until placed on hormone treatment during puberty) along with long hair and some other borderline "girl" stuff (which my friends refer to me as a "gay guy in a girl's body" before I tell them I'm agender).... Nothing else would indicate it.

I was born growing at a male rate as a child my body may have said one thing, but the chemistry said otherwise and a doctor wasn't even comfortable bringing it up until I was an adult because of the side effects and tinkering hormones/BC does to people.

There is a lot more to intersex than meets the eye and it was helpful to find out that regardless of appearances and societal molding my insides are just as complicated as the outside. It was also helpful to know most of the fear was on the outside. I love myself and being chemically different from other people with a working uterus/ovaries/etc isn't cause any for of shame and being hormonally intersexed does not influence my gender or being FAAB, I was assigned female at birth. The blood tests say no and if I shaved my head it would cause double takes. This doesn't bother me in the slightest.

^You couldn't tell I had excess androgens looking at me. You'd just think I was a chubby, nerdy woman. I shave all my facial hair off and some of my body hair because I'm still a bit traumatised by the way my parents were disgusted with me during puberty. My hairline is quite male, but I have a fringe and you can't see my pores unless you get really close. I speak with a soft voice anyway, so even if it's deep, it doesn't sound manly. I have DD boobs as well, which I only got after taking BC.

I don't believe there is such a thing as purely hormonally intersex, though. It's a specific range of conditions that mine doesn't fall under.

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Lets just agree that we're open to different terms and scientific views, there are doctors who agree with you as there are those who agree with me.

I don't want to sound like a jerk, but what medical doctors agree with your definition of intersex? The only people I've seen so far with your definition have been trans activists. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious.

To be fair, this page indicates that it is a possibility (I suppose depending upon the underlying cause):

http://pennstatehershey.adam.com/conten ... gid=001669

The list of symptoms include:

This is not to say such things are purely hormonal, but these can be indicative of an underlying cause that would qualify as intersex.

I have come across some trans people who want to define being trans as a form of neurological intersex (Harry Benjamin Syndrome), but epitome81 doesn't sound like them.

^ No, I don't think she sounds like one of those people.

I have seen trans people speculate if they are intersex, though. They use their naturally variant hormone levels as a reason.

I'm not hatin', just being pedantic with definitions, as usual.

My own personal doctor for John's Hopkins University would be at the top of my list along with many other doctors before the diagnosis was redefined to steer away from phenotypic indicators. I have enough physical abnormalities that I don't doubt for a minute it isn't related to my hormonal issues, they are not enough though to straight out question being physiologically female. I do not wish to turn this into an adult discussion so I'm proceeding with caution from this point to avoid being too graphic.

Before I say anymore phenotypic intersex is highly subjective and may very well taint the validity of hormonal counts alone. What one doctor sees as normal another may not. Again I do not wish to get graphic............

I didn't think you're hatin' at all.

I have seen the speculation you mention. It's probably normal to wonder.

You are correct, I am not one of them. The splitting of intersex and development dysfunction caused a rift in the medical community long ago and it is in fact still there.

I am finding this all very informative - this is an area I know very little about but I do have a son considering FtM reassignment and we're very much in the early stages so we don't have any idea about whether or not the roots for him are genetic, hormonal, or what yet or even whether he might be intersex (outwardly there are no signs except extra body hair which I also have) and his best friend has PCOS and is just figuring out how that affects her.

It caused some issues in the intersex community as well. I do not know any who are particularly happy with "disorders of sexual development." I know the new label annoys me and you won't catch me using it.

You might be a different kettle of fish to me, then.

I just have the usual symptoms of high androgens, my gentials are typical for females.