Gender Identity Disorder and Asperger's Syndrnome.

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Do you have gender issues?
Yes, I do have gender issues and I have AS 54%  54%  [ 163 ]
Yes, I do have gender issues, but not AS 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
No, I do not have gender issues, but have AS 42%  42%  [ 128 ]
No, I don't have either of the two 4%  4%  [ 11 ]
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14 Dec 2009, 4:23 pm

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Yes and I understand that but what I was saying is that this thread is asking only about the psychological part. Therefore physical gender is irrelevant in this thread.

It's relevant in the sense that I'm saying there's no such thing as psychological gender, as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps I was being too ambiguous, for that I apologise.

To elaborate further, I view people who say they feel like the opposite gender in the same way I view people who say they feel like, for example, Napoleon. Delusional but aslong as they don't cause harm to themselves or others I don't really care.



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14 Dec 2009, 4:27 pm

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Yes and I understand that but what I was saying is that this thread is asking only about the psychological part. Therefore physical gender is irrelevant in this thread.

It's relevant in the sense that I'm saying there's no such thing as psychological gender, as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps I was being too ambiguous, for that I apologise.

To elaborate further, I view people who say they feel like the opposite gender in the same way I view people who say they feel like, for example, Napoleon. Delusional but aslong as they don't cause harm to themselves or others I don't really care.

OK got the point. Now my only question is why your posting in this thread?


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14 Dec 2009, 4:29 pm

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OK got the point. Now my only question is why your posting in this thread?

The same reason you are, to give my oppinion about the thread's topic.



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14 Dec 2009, 4:31 pm

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OK got the point. Now my only question is why your posting in this thread?

The same reason you are, to give my oppinion about the thread's topic.

Well yes but I'm not sure why it matters to you if you don't believe in the area it is addressing.


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14 Dec 2009, 4:34 pm

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Well yes but I'm not sure why it matters to you if you don't believe in the area it is addressing.

Since when is it nessecary to have a reason beside simply wanting to present your oppinion to post in a thread?



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14 Dec 2009, 4:36 pm

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Well yes but I'm not sure why it matters to you if you don't believe in the area it is addressing.

Since when is it nessecary to have a reason beside simply wanting to present your oppinion to post in a thread?

well a reason isn't required but it is good to have one when stating your opinion.


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14 Dec 2009, 4:40 pm

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well a reason isn't required but it is good to have one when stating your opinion.

I don't know what reasons you have for posting in any particular thread, but I always do it just to give my input. But we've derailed this thread long enough. :)



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14 Dec 2009, 5:16 pm

I feel that I'm a man trapped in a woman's body. I think that I'm one of the original members of The Kinks half of the time.


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14 Dec 2009, 6:00 pm

Loli-kun wrote:
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Loli-kun wrote:
Yes and I understand that but what I was saying is that this thread is asking only about the psychological part. Therefore physical gender is irrelevant in this thread.

It's relevant in the sense that I'm saying there's no such thing as psychological gender, as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps I was being too ambiguous, for that I apologise.

To elaborate further, I view people who say they feel like the opposite gender in the same way I view people who say they feel like, for example, Napoleon. Delusional but aslong as they don't cause harm to themselves or others I don't really care.

OK got the point. Now my only question is why your posting in this thread?


Loli-kun, welcome to the gender nonconforming wing of Wrong Planet!

On the subject of Lecks presenting his opinion, we do acknowledge that he has every right to post his opinion here, regardless of whether it is popular or even on topic. We readers also have the right to evaluate the substance of the arguments put forth in support and render our judgements on said opinion. If he were to put forth a compelling argument demonstrating reasoned thinking, who knows - it might even overcome the formative influence of decades of personal experience on our viewpoints. He is equally free to also present an opinion with no evidence of reason or thought. He can retain a simplistic high-school-biology XX=girl, XY=boy full-stop oversimplified view of the world. He can remain ignorant as to the numerous processes that occur from the formation of a zygote through embryogenesis up to birth and beyond (topics I have expounded upon at length on various threads). He can avoid being distracted by such inconvenient cases as intersex people. We as readers will make our judgements based on the veracity of the agruments set forth. The resulting opinion might just come up a tad deficient in persuasive power, but its author has every right to post it.

Numerous leading researchers have made use of current technologies, methods and knowledge to ascertain that there are distinct sexually dimorphic differences in brain structure, some inborn and immutable, some showing plasticity and reaction to hormonal changes. We who have educated ourselves in such matters still, conceivably, can be swayed by equally strong reasoning and evidence that these structural differences actually don't exist, or do exist but always follow phenotype without exception. The job could be finished off simply by proving that there actually are no cases of ambiguous genetics or genotypes not expressed as expected.

Of course, most of us will see this opinion for what it is - a simple case of its author unable to grasp the fact that some people's experience just might be different from his own. And now it's out there for all to see.



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14 Dec 2009, 6:26 pm

melissa17b wrote:
Loli-kun wrote:
Lecks wrote:
Loli-kun wrote:
Yes and I understand that but what I was saying is that this thread is asking only about the psychological part. Therefore physical gender is irrelevant in this thread.

It's relevant in the sense that I'm saying there's no such thing as psychological gender, as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps I was being too ambiguous, for that I apologise.

To elaborate further, I view people who say they feel like the opposite gender in the same way I view people who say they feel like, for example, Napoleon. Delusional but aslong as they don't cause harm to themselves or others I don't really care.

OK got the point. Now my only question is why your posting in this thread?


Loli-kun, welcome to the gender nonconforming wing of Wrong Planet!

On the subject of Lecks presenting his opinion, we do acknowledge that he has every right to post his opinion here, regardless of whether it is popular or even on topic. We readers also have the right to evaluate the substance of the arguments put forth in support and render our judgements on said opinion. If he were to put forth a compelling argument demonstrating reasoned thinking, who knows - it might even overcome the formative influence of decades of personal experience on our viewpoints. He is equally free to also present an opinion with no evidence of reason or thought. He can retain a simplistic high-school-biology XX=girl, XY=boy full-stop oversimplified view of the world. He can remain ignorant as to the numerous processes that occur from the formation of a zygote through embryogenesis up to birth and beyond (topics I have expounded upon at length on various threads). He can avoid being distracted by such inconvenient cases as intersex people. We as readers will make our judgements based on the veracity of the agruments set forth. The resulting opinion might just come up a tad deficient in persuasive power, but its author has every right to post it.

Numerous leading researchers have made use of current technologies, methods and knowledge to ascertain that there are distinct sexually dimorphic differences in brain structure, some inborn and immutable, some showing plasticity and reaction to hormonal changes. We who have educated ourselves in such matters still, conceivably, can be swayed by equally strong reasoning and evidence that these structural differences actually don't exist, or do exist but always follow phenotype without exception. The job could be finished off simply by proving that there actually are no cases of ambiguous genetics or genotypes not expressed as expected.

Of course, most of us will see this opinion for what it is - a simple case of its author unable to grasp the fact that some people's experience just might be different from his own. And now it's out there for all to see.

Spectacularly put! He and I have already agreed to stop our back and forth. But as for the views I put forth there really should be another Thread specifically for People with Psychological Gender Issues that Do Not affect their Physical Gender. People who like from what I've read quite a few of us who are fine with their body even though they see their mind as another gender or even genderless.


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14 Dec 2009, 6:34 pm

I used to wish I was a boy and wore nothing but men's clothes and when alone I would tie things round my chest and look in the mirror to see what it's like to have a male shape. I'm not a lesbian though, I have had girl crushes but I consider myself usually straight.
Now I wear more girl's clothes but I have come to the conclusion that I am genderless, I'm not particularly masculine or feminine. My clothes are usually a mix between men's and women's so I have a sort of uni sex look. And I do prefer to hang out with boys more than girls.


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14 Dec 2009, 6:46 pm

I have gender issues but they are mild now.

When I hit adolescence I thought femaleness was revolting. I felt that my body had been reduced to being just a baby machine. I wanted my breasts removed, since to my mind they were merely for feeding babies, and since I didn't want babies, why should I keep a pair of useless fat bags stuck to my body?

I didn't want to be male either, though. I just didn't want to be female. I wanted to be an androgyne.

I still like the idea of being an androgyne, but I don't feel so intensely about it that I'd actually have surgical alterations.


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14 Dec 2009, 6:48 pm

I'm an MtF trans woman. There does seem to be a surprisingly high correlation of transpeople and ASD's. I didn't realise until I came here, but looking at my friendship group, I know a lot of trans people who have Asperger's, too.



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15 Dec 2009, 6:06 am

I answered no. I don't know why people would want to become visually female, yet not reproductive. The stigma, the sexual issues, etc. makes it hard for me to understand.

When I was a kid however, I liked to dress up in female dresses and felt female. Yes, I wanted to "try" being female, but sexually I like girls and quite frankly I don't see the reason to try to change your body to make you what you believe you are.



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15 Dec 2009, 7:30 am

Klom wrote:
I answered no. I don't know why people would want to become visually female, yet not reproductive. The stigma, the sexual issues, etc. makes it hard for me to understand.

When I was a kid however, I liked to dress up in female dresses and felt female. Yes, I wanted to "try" being female, but sexually I like girls and quite frankly I don't see the reason to try to change your body to make you what you believe you are.


It's more than visually one or the other, there are also the effects of altering/removing organs which produce hormones and/or taking other hormones. Makes you feel different (apparently; I've never tried, though I'm slightly tempted because it's the sort of thing you can do unofficially; but that's dangerous.) I'd love to live without androgens. :)


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15 Dec 2009, 10:32 am

Like my Asperger's, my gender is but a component of me, not the center


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