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12 Dec 2014, 10:45 pm

I think the thing many of you overlook is that I'm one of you; a person on these forums w/ the same set of symptoms who happened to figure out how to control and minimize these symptoms.

I'm not a researcher who set up a formal study w/ rigid documentation rules. I never set out to conduct a medical study of any sort. I simply did what was best for me as I learned what I needed to do in order to improve myself asap from the living hell I was living. That's it, that's all. So to those expecting empirical evidence from me, well, it's a little unrealistic.

Still doesn't change anything, though. I've been completely transparent about who I am, what I've done, and how it's changed my life. I'm living a second life now, happier, healthier & wealthier and on my way to much bigger better goals in the future. Heck, even my daily life now (which I'm beginning to take for granted, somewhat) used to seem impossible 2-3 short years ago. Now it's my daily norm and I'm aiming higher and working towards achieving bigger better goals vs. spinning my wheels in frustration feeling like I have the mental potential to achieve something greater but not being able to do it.


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13 Dec 2014, 5:22 pm

Im trying to stay away from the carbs to kill my candida. The candida gives you urges to eat sugar and carbs though!



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13 Dec 2014, 7:27 pm

slenkar wrote:
Im trying to stay away from the carbs to kill my candida. The candida gives you urges to eat sugar and carbs though!


So very true. It's just gotta be a mind over matter thing.. you've got to decide that your health is worth much more than your cravings. If I find myself craving something a little, I'll just drink a couple glasses of water so it's kind of impossible for me to eat a bunch of junk since I'm full. Or I start cooking up something healthy and end up salivating over good healthy food vs. craving junk food of any kind.


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13 Dec 2014, 10:19 pm

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Im trying to stay away from the carbs to kill my candida. The candida gives you urges to eat sugar and carbs though!


So very true. It's just gotta be a mind over matter thing.. you've got to decide that your health is worth much more than your cravings. If I find myself craving something a little, I'll just drink a couple glasses of water so it's kind of impossible for me to eat a bunch of junk since I'm full. Or I start cooking up something healthy and end up salivating over good healthy food vs. craving junk food of any kind.


Or maybe it's your body telling you to stop starving it of essential nutrients?

Sugars and carbs are not automatically junk food. Healthy diets also contain natural sugars and carbs.



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13 Dec 2014, 10:26 pm

When you drastically cut out sugars and carbs from your diet, your body will naturally respond. Just like when you don't have enough water to drink, you naturally become thirsty.



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14 Dec 2014, 2:35 pm

blueblahbleh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
slenkar wrote:
Im trying to stay away from the carbs to kill my candida. The candida gives you urges to eat sugar and carbs though!


So very true. It's just gotta be a mind over matter thing.. you've got to decide that your health is worth much more than your cravings. If I find myself craving something a little, I'll just drink a couple glasses of water so it's kind of impossible for me to eat a bunch of junk since I'm full. Or I start cooking up something healthy and end up salivating over good healthy food vs. craving junk food of any kind.


Or maybe it's your body telling you to stop starving it of essential nutrients?

Sugars and carbs are not automatically junk food. Healthy diets also contain natural sugars and carbs.


Sugar (refined) isn't an essential nutrient. Prior to the last generation or so, sugar was pretty much an exotic spice. It's entirely over consumed today. Eating a small amount of natural sugar in your diet is OK, but eating the amount of sugar the typical American eats in their diet isn't healthy at all.

I don't eat sugary things, but I still get carbs in nuts/seeds and a bit of brown rice. I still consume some carbs, just not sweets.


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15 Dec 2014, 8:55 pm

Sugars are an essential nutrient. I'm not talking about corn syrup or junk food.

Carbs can raise your blood/sugar level, for example. Cut these out of your diet and you will get sick and/or crave more.

My point was that such cravings are your body's natural reaction to such a diet, not necessarily an indication that some type of fungus has taken over your body and making it crave such things for its own needs.

What happens when you don't drink enough water? You get thirsty.

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Im trying to stay away from the carbs to kill my candida. The candida gives you urges to eat sugar and carbs though!



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16 Dec 2014, 3:39 am

Really?

So all of these obese people with sweet tooths are just satisfying their bodies' craving for essential nutrients?

You can't compare sugar cravings to the life sustaining necessity of water.


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16 Dec 2014, 3:43 am

goldfish21 wrote:
Really?

So all of these obese people with sweet tooths are just satisfying their bodies' craving for essential nutrients?

You can't compare sugar cravings to the life sustaining necessity of water.


Uh, what? They're going overboard on the sugar that they need.

You body needs sugar to survive, and not an excess amount either. Try cutting out sugar entirely and let's see how sick you end up getting.



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16 Dec 2014, 11:55 am

andrethemoogle wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Really?

So all of these obese people with sweet tooths are just satisfying their bodies' craving for essential nutrients?

You can't compare sugar cravings to the life sustaining necessity of water.


Uh, what? They're going overboard on the sugar that they need.

You body needs sugar to survive, and not an excess amount either. Try cutting out sugar entirely and let's see how sick you end up getting.


Leaner?

The only sugar I got for months on end would be a couple of thin organic brown rice cakes and whatever carbs are in nuts/seeds - that was about it for my daily carb consumption. Near zero sugar, but not exactly zero.


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16 Dec 2014, 12:10 pm

Yeah it seems to be better to get energy from fat instead of carbs.



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16 Dec 2014, 12:11 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
andrethemoogle wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Really?

So all of these obese people with sweet tooths are just satisfying their bodies' craving for essential nutrients?

You can't compare sugar cravings to the life sustaining necessity of water.


Uh, what? They're going overboard on the sugar that they need.

You body needs sugar to survive, and not an excess amount either. Try cutting out sugar entirely and let's see how sick you end up getting.


Leaner?

The only sugar I got for months on end would be a couple of thin organic brown rice cakes and whatever carbs are in nuts/seeds - that was about it for my daily carb consumption. Near zero sugar, but not exactly zero.


Your cells get by without adenosine triphosphate? Truly a miracle. :roll:



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16 Dec 2014, 3:01 pm

Adamantium wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
andrethemoogle wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Really?

So all of these obese people with sweet tooths are just satisfying their bodies' craving for essential nutrients?

You can't compare sugar cravings to the life sustaining necessity of water.


Uh, what? They're going overboard on the sugar that they need.

You body needs sugar to survive, and not an excess amount either. Try cutting out sugar entirely and let's see how sick you end up getting.


Leaner?

The only sugar I got for months on end would be a couple of thin organic brown rice cakes and whatever carbs are in nuts/seeds - that was about it for my daily carb consumption. Near zero sugar, but not exactly zero.


Your cells get by without adenosine triphosphate? Truly a miracle. :roll:


You don't actually have to eat carbs in order to generate ATP.
http://www.neurorexia.com/2013/03/24/br ... enic-diet/

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Simple speaking, strict carbohydrate restriction depletes liver glycogen and forces the body to turn to other macronutrients for energy. Proteins are metabolically costly to utilize (not to mention dangerous – heart is also a muscle), and is often used as a last resort. By providing adequate amounts of fat, the liver uses dietary and body fat as fuel and produces ketones. “Ketones”, or “ketone bodies” is actually an umbrella term for 3 different molecules, β-hydroxybutyrate (BHB), acetoacetate (ACA) and acetone. All three can be delivered into the brain and metabolically converted into ATP in both neurons and glia. The three are interrelated: BHB and ACA can convert into each other, while ACA can turn into acetone. Extra ketones are eliminated through urine, or in the case of acetone, breath.

http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/ketosis.html

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This brain glucose need is the main reason that registered dietitians insist on keeping alive the myth that carbohydrates are essential nutrients (meaning we have to eat them or we will die). This is incorrect, biochemically speaking. RDs teaching that carbs are essential neglect to take into account that the brain can use ketones for over half of its fuel requirements once carbohydrate intake is lowered and ketone production ramps up. The process of gluconeogenesis can make all the glucose the brain needs, once the body is keto-adapted (good at burning ketones for fuel). So although glucose is essential for the brain, eating carbohydrates to make glucose is NOT essential, especially if you are in ketosis.
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Not that goldfish is necessarily on a ketogenic diet (I don't think he is) but the success of ketogenic diets does show that glucose is not an essential nutrient and eating glucose is not the only way to either have glucose in the bloodstream (since glucose can be made as needed by the liver) or to make ATP.

It took me about 3 days to switch my body over from a carbohydrate based metabolism to a fat based metabolism. They weren't fun days (because running out of glycogen before you have sufficiently ramped up fat metabolism leaves you feeling weak) but afterwards it was a relief to not be trapped on the high-low blood sugar roller coaster. People who are less insulin resistant than me can get that effect with a low glycemic diet but that wasn't enough for me. In any case, I have all the ATP I need.

*yes I realize that both those links were biased in favor of ketogenic dieting.



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16 Dec 2014, 3:25 pm

Janissy wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
andrethemoogle wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Really?

So all of these obese people with sweet tooths are just satisfying their bodies' craving for essential nutrients?

You can't compare sugar cravings to the life sustaining necessity of water.


Uh, what? They're going overboard on the sugar that they need.

You body needs sugar to survive, and not an excess amount either. Try cutting out sugar entirely and let's see how sick you end up getting.


Leaner?

The only sugar I got for months on end would be a couple of thin organic brown rice cakes and whatever carbs are in nuts/seeds - that was about it for my daily carb consumption. Near zero sugar, but not exactly zero.


Your cells get by without adenosine triphosphate? Truly a miracle. :roll:


You don't actually have to eat carbs in order to generate ATP.
http://www.neurorexia.com/2013/03/24/br ... enic-diet/

Quote:
Simple speaking, strict carbohydrate restriction depletes liver glycogen and forces the body to turn to other macronutrients for energy. Proteins are metabolically costly to utilize (not to mention dangerous – heart is also a muscle), and is often used as a last resort. By providing adequate amounts of fat, the liver uses dietary and body fat as fuel and produces ketones. “Ketones”, or “ketone bodies” is actually an umbrella term for 3 different molecules, β-hydroxybutyrate (BHB), acetoacetate (ACA) and acetone. All three can be delivered into the brain and metabolically converted into ATP in both neurons and glia. The three are interrelated: BHB and ACA can convert into each other, while ACA can turn into acetone. Extra ketones are eliminated through urine, or in the case of acetone, breath.

http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/ketosis.html

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This brain glucose need is the main reason that registered dietitians insist on keeping alive the myth that carbohydrates are essential nutrients (meaning we have to eat them or we will die). This is incorrect, biochemically speaking. RDs teaching that carbs are essential neglect to take into account that the brain can use ketones for over half of its fuel requirements once carbohydrate intake is lowered and ketone production ramps up. The process of gluconeogenesis can make all the glucose the brain needs, once the body is keto-adapted (good at burning ketones for fuel). So although glucose is essential for the brain, eating carbohydrates to make glucose is NOT essential, especially if you are in ketosis.
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Not that goldfish is necessarily on a ketogenic diet (I don't think he is) but the success of ketogenic diets does show that glucose is not an essential nutrient and eating glucose is not the only way to either have glucose in the bloodstream (since glucose can be made as needed by the liver) or to make ATP.

It took me about 3 days to switch my body over from a carbohydrate based metabolism to a fat based metabolism. They weren't fun days (because running out of glycogen before you have sufficiently ramped up fat metabolism leaves you feeling weak) but afterwards it was a relief to not be trapped on the high-low blood sugar roller coaster. People who are less insulin resistant than me can get that effect with a low glycemic diet but that wasn't enough for me. In any case, I have all the ATP I need.

*yes I realize that both those links were biased in favor of ketogenic dieting.


No disagreement, but the point I was responding to was "near zero zugar" the metabolic processes you describe involve sugar. You can't live without sugar. I understand the concept of low glycemic diets, but I think there is an irrational quality to the demonization of sugars and carbs in the current crop of dietary fads, just as there was of fats in an earlier batch of diet fads. Digestion is chemistry and glucose is an essential component.