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17 Oct 2015, 1:42 pm

I tend to identify with not only early 80's rock bands but, new age music too.


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17 Oct 2015, 6:12 pm

kazanscube wrote:
I tend to identify with not only early 80's rock bands but, new age music too.

New Age or New Wave, please (you mentioned early 80's & I don't recall new age being big then)?


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17 Oct 2015, 6:17 pm

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I'm in a tattoo subculture, which is similar to biker subculture. Some styles and people are respectable and some aren't. Things are done in a certain way and if you don't do it that way you're not in the culture, no matter how "done" you are.


I've been on the fence for a few years now about getting at least one sleeve, any chance you can elaborate?


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19 Oct 2015, 12:52 pm

Edenthiel wrote:
kazanscube wrote:
I tend to identify with not only early 80's rock bands but, new age music too.

New Age or New Wave, please (you mentioned early 80's & I don't recall new age being big then)?



Dear Edenthiel, I should have stated my post much clearer as, I have identified with both early 80's rock bands as well as, New Age music too. I hope this helps make things clearer now?


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19 Oct 2015, 1:32 pm

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I dont fit anywhere really. I was mostly metalhead/druggie subculture when I was younger, but always had my own way of doing stuff.

I never wanted to dress anyway just to be part of a group. I wore/wear band shirts and stuff, but also sports jerseys and mostly plain ass stuff. I'm also really into sports. Alot. Most metalheads are not.

I'm not even accepted in metalhead subculture because of my tastes in bands. Your typical "metal" (quotes because WTF is metal even today? SOOO many subgenres) bands like your Slayer, Metallica, Lamb of God, just are not my thing. "Real" metalheads typically make fun of bands I like like Candiria, Dillenger Escape Plan and iwrestledabearonce. It's considered by many to be "for p*****s", despite the fact Im guessing I'd fare quite well in a fight with many of them.

I find subcultures, when taken to their extreme, to be just as limiting as the mainstream. Just a different set of expectations to live up to and another image to wear.


I don't think the bands you mention are for p*****s just not my kind of music particularly. Hell I don't even really like Metallica or Lamb of God, Slayer I will always like but they're not even all that good. Metal came from Black Sabbath and I hear plenty of so called metal fans trying to say Black Sabbath isn't metal....that bothers me far more than someone into metal listening to a bit of metalcore types stuff. But I can sort of see what you mean there are people into metal who get rather elitist....and even think bands have to stick with how they sounded initially even if the band themselves wants to change it up. I mean basically I am a metalhead but I get its not everyones favorite thing and I am certainly not an authority on what exactly makes metal.[/quote

Took me years to start to learn the differences between all the subgenres (which I only partially get now). I've come to learn that I am more of a -core guy than a -metal guy. -core tends to involve more groove and allows for more outside genres influences.

I remember me and a friend getting within seconds of a pretty big fight about 12-13 year ago at a Candiria show. They, at the time, and even today were totally different from anything that existed. They incorporate jazz, rap, tribal and ambient noise styles. Plus the singer is a black guy. This drew the ire of all "real" metal and even hardcore fans with whom they were force to play for lack of touring options. So I almost got assaulted for wearing their gear to their show because of how they were viewed. I'd have kicked the f**k out of the guy, and my friend was a beast at the time, this dude and his four friend all looked like over the hill little b*****s, but thats not the point.

It's a very, very elitist group. It's a hot button topic of mine because there are some very talented bands out there that are struggling badly to continue to exist because of the overall shittiness of typical metal fans. It's one thing for something to not be your taste, but don't make it appear lesser or make people actually afraid to wear merch in public.

I don't like Sabbath or anything that really existed before the 90's. Though you can't take away the influence they had on metal.

Oddly enough I was glad to see both Chino from the Deftones and Greg from DEP guest vocalled on the new Lamb of God. Not because it was any good, but I imagined all the rageful fans who were so angry such people would work with LoG. F**k em.


Hmm I just don't run into a lot of elitist metal fans....anywhere aside from the internet, so just not sure how typical they are at least IRL. Of course I and most anyone I know into metal including myself is specifically a metalhead and doesn't really care what other people listen to certainly not enough to beat someone up or try and kick them out of a show if they're wearing a metalcore shirt.

I mean it is obnoxious when people insist metal core is the 'new metal' and the old stuff is obsolete and all but ignore stuff like death metal, black metal, thrash metal ect like they don't exist....like the 'hey we're just going to replace metal with this genre' attitude. It's like 'hey don't gotta s**t on metal just because you prefer metalcore, deathcore, grindcore or any of that.' That is hardly the majority of metalcore fans but I have seen it.

Its obnoxious the same reason elitist 'I am the authority on true metal' types are obnoxious. Basically these types see it as a freaking competition....its not a competition its music. I mean I think Children of Bodom is a bit more talented than Slayer but who cares what matters is do you like the music....people who get hung up on what's 'the best' or better in music it annoys me.


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19 Oct 2015, 1:35 pm

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I'm a thinker, it doesn't get more sub-culture than that in today's world of "don't think about it, just react to it."


Yes, that is true, I don't hang out with non-thinkers....but most people I know fit in other subcultures aside from being thinkers. Of course some people think only college students/graduates can be thinkers.


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19 Oct 2015, 1:44 pm

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This is hard to remember because now I'm just in the "mom" subculture.

I'm into something called stoner metal, although I am anti-drugs. I also listen to something called experimental metal or new classical, which is somewhat like drone metal.

I'm in a tattoo subculture, which is similar to biker subculture. Some styles and people are respectable and some aren't. Things are done in a certain way and if you don't do it that way you're not in the culture, no matter how "done" you are.

I'm in generation X, which is a subculture. There aren't as many of us as other generations, and our values are a lot like the Veteran generation, in stark contrast to our parents and children.



I do like stoner metal...and really its essentially traditional style doom metal, like similar to Black Sabbath, I mean its sort of like a lot of psychedelic rock in the 60's being called 'acid rock' even though not all the bands or fans even took that drug. But yeah sometimes I worry that the term 'stoner metal' might initially turn non-stoners away since they might think its all marijuana themed but its really just a more mellow kind of metal than say Cannibal Corpse.

As for the tattoo culture would you say there are people that just get tattoos and then there are people actually part of the subculture?


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19 Oct 2015, 7:42 pm

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was a Mod back in the 80s - all the obsessive talk about scooters and clothes - aspie obsession was quite unnoticed!


I don't even know what a Mod is, seriously. :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
Could someone explain.


Mods were originally in the mid 60's but there was a big revival in the 80's - Mods dress sharp in suits (3 buttons with side vents 5 inches long), stove pipe trousers, button down shirts and thin ties, ride Vespas or Lambrettas with a Parka over the top. They get into pre hippy 60's music - (anything remotely hippy needs to be destroyed!). Bands like The Who, The Kinks, The Animals, The Yardbirds, The Small Faces etc, Soul music & RnB. The Jam was probably the biggest Mod band in the 80's (and late 70's), Secret Affair in England and in Aus there was Stupidity, The Mustard Club, The Go, The Avengers among a host of others.

Mods traditionally fought with Rockers or Rockabillies, but also with Skinheads, Punks and in Sydney mostly with Surfies. Generally got along with the Rude Boys.

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21 Oct 2015, 12:56 am

Skurvey wrote:
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was a Mod back in the 80s - all the obsessive talk about scooters and clothes - aspie obsession was quite unnoticed!


I don't even know what a Mod is, seriously. :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
Could someone explain.


Mods were originally in the mid 60's but there was a big revival in the 80's - Mods dress sharp in suits (3 buttons with side vents 5 inches long), stove pipe trousers, button down shirts and thin ties, ride Vespas or Lambrettas with a Parka over the top. They get into pre hippy 60's music - (anything remotely hippy needs to be destroyed!). Bands like The Who, The Kinks, The Animals, The Yardbirds, The Small Faces etc, Soul music & RnB. The Jam was probably the biggest Mod band in the 80's (and late 70's), Secret Affair in England and in Aus there was Stupidity, The Mustard Club, The Go, The Avengers among a host of others.

Mods traditionally fought with Rockers or Rockabillies, but also with Skinheads, Punks and in Sydney mostly with Surfies. Generally got along with the Rude Boys.

Great fun!


Thank you for such a high quality answer :D :D :D



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21 Oct 2015, 1:05 am

I've got it!

I'm part of the Prog subculture. Nailed it



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21 Oct 2015, 1:58 am

Skurvey wrote:

Mods were originally in the mid 60's but there was a big revival in the 80's - Mods dress sharp in suits (3 buttons with side vents 5 inches long), stove pipe trousers, button down shirts and thin ties, ride Vespas or Lambrettas with a Parka over the top. They get into pre hippy 60's music - (anything remotely hippy needs to be destroyed!).


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Interesting. Here's a character who made the transition between these two subcultures. Marc Bolan is on the right in the above picture from a Sunday newspaper feature in (I think) 1962 about the emerging 'Mod' phenomenon.

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In the late 1960s he became a cult figure in the British Hippy Underground scene, as the singer-songwriter of the two-man group Tyrannosaurus Rex.


In the early seventies he became a 'Glam Rock' superstar, before his career went off the rails, and he died in a car crash aged 29 in 1977.