what do you love that everybody else hates?

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I don't find American or European art off putting. I guess I'm a black hole when it comes to art stuff....just suck it all in. Oddly, most of what you mention were ways of getting animation done as cheaply as possible (Manga would be different in that regard) and take the focus off the stilted motion they would use for most things, saving the really cool imagery for those moments that truly required it.

Totally get that about the music. Some people just spoke to me too. Glad to hear someone else is just as 'not on board' as I am concerning Hendrix or Clapton.

I don't think androgyny is hated. I just think it bothers people because as a whole, people are still struggling with that slurring of the gender roles that made life easier for everybody else, but made life hell for those that didn't fit into those cubby holes.....

I have no real objection to androgyny--why should I? I know people who are effeminate men, or masculine women....and I get along with them.

I am sexually attracted to women who are at least somewhat feminine, though.

No, it doesn't. I am somewhat of a snob when it comes to animation. I drew people constantly throughout my childhood. I'm a naturally talented artist, been drawing since I was in a high chair (seriously), and I have certain ideas about how things should be done.

Why I hate anime:

Huge eyes with unrealistic colors
Small pointy noses
No lips except on adult females
Unrealistic facial expressions
Humongous, ugly ears (not all the time)
Unrealistic hair and hair colors
Often racist or stereotypical drawings of other races
The characters all could be the same person almost because the facial characteristics are too similar
Sound effects which are overdone

The biggest thing is really that the characters all look the same. So boring.

I personally am not a huge fan of Japanese culture anyway. I like their videogames, I like their food, but that's it. I don't dislike the people, I just am not really into their modern culture. Everything has to be "cute". Sometimes I just get sick of cute. The cuteness is overpowering.

I tend to hate things that everybody else loves, and love things that everybody else hates. I'm weird like that...

I get that

That has more to do with following the silhouette and lines than anything else. Also simplifies the animation process...that's why cartoon characters always had three fingers and a thumb. One less thing to draw.

Depends on the anime, but they will paint up their villainesses

That would be cartooning in general, but can understand why it's offputing. Cartooning is simply the act of simplifying as well as magnifying.

Hmmmm, usually the ears are small from what I've seen. Especially on women. They still have some of those lingering "If this is this size then This must also be that size" type of reasoning. Yes, I have been told that. Let's just say it's an offshoot of "You know what big feet mean...." And, no...it ain't big shoes.......

Hahahahahaha...you should meet my daughter then LOL We went to a funeral when she was 13. She had her hair all bubble gummed pink with spikes and such. She was the talk of the family until a cousin came in with a sheet black dress, cut way down to there and no bra with pointers leading the way. And that person was a pallbearer. But, yeah, the colors and shapes are pretty much doable.

Yeah, I get that, but I also look at it as using archetypes for quick reference to a character type. But, yeah....much can be too far.

That's a common fault. But Japanese art is also about style and adherence to disciplines with variations being small enough to differentiate (if you look for them) but still there to be seen if you are attuned to the cultural symbologies employed.

I would apply that to everything done these days. I hate most modern movies because dialogue is not respected enough for it to be prominent. Anything that is not dialogue these days is just too prominent for me to understand most things and have to do a bit of lip reading and contextual analysis just to follow the story.

That could be the artist involved. Could be a lot of things....but I do get it.

Totally get that too. Not a big fan of much of Japanese food I've had...like the Americanized versions of some things and love their savory, but that is not a lot. Also, can't eat squid or things like that for breakfast.....too American for that....

And the cuteness....well...not sure what to say about that. A lot of it is not cute....some of it is massively horrid (Their fascination for monsters and monstrosities) and can be very, very violent. Some of the cuteness is there to underscore the transformations from childlike to something else (good or evil).

Again, I get everything you say. And, if you're really not into Japanese culture, many of the symbologies may not really work for you since it can be very subtle. And, for good reason, much of their storytelling is some sort of Nuclear power allegory. That's all Godzilla was (The original movie, and not the one that they put Raymond Burr in to appeal to the American Audiences.)

The proportionately large eyes of Anime characters always freaks me out. (Not just Anime, the bug eyed Powder Puff Girls fall into this too) That and the sheer expressiveness of them can come off as jarring, especially because I have trouble reading the intent behind faces. So a very expressive character, when emoting, comes off as deep Uncanny Valley. And some Animes can get way too fanservicy for my tastes.

Depends on the anime. No giant eyes here.



Hmmm, that's interesting because one of the things I like is that because they are so expressive, I can read them better. It's the subtlety of real faces that elude me.

I hate peanut butter sandwiches. I find them disgusting. I hate PB&J sandwiches even worse. I hate white bread.

I dislike sandwiches in general, and hamburgers. I don't like hot dogs, BBQ or chili.

I hate coffee, and hate the smell of it brewed or raw.

I hate salad.

I've never understood why people like The Doors. I like a couple of their songs but I hate most of their music.

I can't stand Adele. Her voice is like sandpaper grating against my brain.

I don't understand the appeal of baseball. It bores me.

Sorry, I am not very familiar with Anime aside from the stereotypical "big eyes and colorful hair" ones. I'm more of a Nick and Cartoon Network kind of person.
That, and I am completely dumb when it comes to Japanese culture, so I do not get most of the references.

See, your the opposite of me, I DO (sometimes) get the subtlety of faces better than the more noticeable and expressive ones.

They're actually is one Japanese anime-style cartoon I like: Avatar: The Last Airbender.

It's not really extreme in the way Japanese anime can be. And I believe it was created by an American, and the animations done by a Korean animation company.

So it is probably more in line with western tastes.

It contains a lot of references to Eastern cultures, but isn't specifically about any one culture. I noticed traditional Tibetan culture references, references to Buddhism, martial arts, yin and yang, traditional Chinese culture. Some others I can't really remember.

I always liked the idea of reincarnation, and Buddhism appeals to me on a philosophical level, so that could also have something to do with it.

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And I just realized what part of the problem is. I think they are idealized faces based on what the Japanese currently find beautiful, and so all look the same.

I find that Japanese celebrities, and Korean ones all tend to either look the same, or alter themselves to look that way in order to meet these standards. In a way they do resemble anime characters.

I like variation. I like the way people look naturally. Nothing wrong with getting major problems (crooked teeth, huge nose, etc) corrected with surgery, but some of these people are changing their entire faces! And it ruins their natural, unique self. Chin surgery, eyelid surgery, teeth, breaking the jaw to make it pointier, making the nose "tall" and narrow.

While not a full believer of reincarnation, I just can't believe that whatever is inside that is not the collection of chemicals and organic machines, just gets wiped away at death. That has to go somewhere, or it's just full entropy.

It's that and the cultural influences on art and the disciplines involved. It's a bit convoluted by western styles, but then again, so is the western influences they see as convoluted.

Yep, get that.n Especially in the Harajuku district. And, yeah, the plastic surgery is rampant in all the Asian cultures. They really assign meaning to the eccentricities of the human body. Small ears = small vagina, big eyes = able to see opportunity, rhinoplasty (nose jobs) and double-eyelid surgery and eyebrow surgeries (yes, eyebrows too) really are nuts right now. And, many times they will go to a 'less than qualified' surgeon and have really botched jobs done. Met one woman in China that it really looked bad on her. The nose was as if someone took a cleaver to the underside and just whacked into a reverse ski slope.

I get that too. I prefer people the way they are. Most attempts to 'improve' really don't improve and mess up the things that make them interesting. But, I did have braces as a kid because my teeth were coming in all wrong and too many teeth (or too big of teeth) mainly to keep from having to clean those strange overlapping areas.
Oddly enough, in a way to maximize their 'youthful' appearance they are doing things with their teeth to mimic the undeveloped baby/adult teeth overlapping thing.

Here's the link to the page with information explaining this.
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/01/26/m ... er-speaks/

That I do not understand at all.

I seem to be a tonsorial outlier in this day and age, I wear my hair down my back while 99.99% of other men shave theirs military-butch short skin-tight high and tight. ugh. if they're gonna cut it that short they might as well just shave it all off AFAIC. I've never cared for such short hair, everybody else seems to think it's great.

zkydz,

Yes, I've seen that. I think the obsession with appearance that many people have is very unhealthy, but it exists in many cultures, including our own.

Really, how long?

and furthermore, I HATE stubble! it is UGLY but it seems to be considered so fashionable nowadays by many. and tapered haircuts to me are grotesque.

how long is mine? about halfway down my back, I'm not sure if it grows longer than that. how long is yours?