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11 Feb 2016, 12:50 pm

Autism is a heated topic, people will take offense when you write how it's over diagnosed or how you don't think lot of people have it or how skeptical you are about it when someone mentions they have it. I even saw one poster online saying he doesn't believe anyone until there is actual proof. I was not sure what that was supposed to mean, maybe posting your DX online but I didn't let that comment bother me because I stopped caring. Even parents of autistic kids get offended when someone says how autism is overdiagnosed and lot of kids with it don't actually have it or it's due to parents not properly raising their kids. You don't need to point fingers at anyone with these comments and people will still take offense and feel you are attacking them or judging them.

It's a possibility someone can be so f****d up and have such a hard life it made them tick boxes for autism growing up so they get diagnosed. But saying they don't have it or suggesting they are misdiagnosed is like calling them fake or crazy or that their problems are not real. Then how would they be able to explain all the troubles they have had through life? No one likes to be told they are faking it. That is how they would interpret it if you deny they have it.

I think it's only okay to say it if that person is questioning their own diagnoses and they ask for your opinion.


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11 Feb 2016, 12:50 pm

No. You are one of the better writers here.


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11 Feb 2016, 12:54 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
Continue! Continue! Continue!
Real thoughts are revealed, and real characters, instead of facades.
This is why I enjoy confrontation, people reveal what they really think and who they really are instead of what they pretend to think or be.
The social pretense stops too, and so does the support stuff.


Well that is the thing. I just wanted to be honest and up front. I feel pretty much the same as you do, with the exception of out right hate speech. I was taught when discussing or debating a subject that it is the subject itself that should be attacked by those who disagree, but the person should not be attacked. Called ad hominem: "(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining."vicious ad hominem attacks"

And in pro and con, if no one ever took the con (unpopular) position, then nothing would ever be debated would it?

Here is a thing. And I hope this does not upset anyone. One time for example I was watching a video of a college age guy talking about having autism. And he was describing all sorts of traits/symptoms of profound autism....but was not displaying any of them at all what so ever in my personal opinion (based on being around lots of people with profound autism my whole life). To me that seemed fake and misleading. But I might be very wrong about that. That is just honestly how it looked to me at the time.



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11 Feb 2016, 12:58 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Then how would they be able to explain all the troubles they have had through life?

Sometimes there are no explanations. Sometimes bad things happen to good people, and there's nobody to blame for it.


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11 Feb 2016, 1:07 pm

Moar! Moar! Moar!
Use all your social and manipulator skills here!


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11 Feb 2016, 1:14 pm

Idealist wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Then how would they be able to explain all the troubles they have had through life?

Sometimes there are no explanations. Sometimes bad things happen to good people, and there's nobody to blame for it.



True but a diagnoses is still made for the person because they need to make the diagnoses to help that person and a brain can be rewired growing up due to environmental factors.


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11 Feb 2016, 1:15 pm

EzraS wrote:
...I just wanted to be honest and up front....

I believe you will be an even greater writer than you are already. Have you tried fiction?


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11 Feb 2016, 1:16 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
Moar! Moar! Moar!
Use all your social and manipulator skills here!


I am not sure what you are doing here, but it is making me laugh :lol:



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11 Feb 2016, 1:21 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
EzraS wrote:
...I just wanted to be honest and up front....

I believe you will be an even greater writer than you are already. Have you tried fiction?


I started writing a story, like a small book, about a kid with autism, but also supernatural/paranormal stuff going on....but did not get very far with it. It is based loosely on the small costal city I moved to a year and half ago.

I have not read it in a while and if I start now will probably want to make a zillion changes and corrections.

Seth came out of his dream. Something about climbing along the top of a cinder block wall. His dreams rarely made sense and he barely remembered any details.
Even though Seth was awake now, he kept his eyes closed. It was the third day in the back seat of the family sedan. Seth's parents, Jason and Sarah were in
the front seats. Jason was driving and Sarah was reading. The inside of Seth's eye lids had a reddish tint, sunlight was beaming through the window onto his face. He turned
his face away from it. He could smell the bag of Cheetos on the seat next to him. It made his stomach rumble. They were on the highway, headed north. Moving to
a coastal town in the Pacific Northwest called Evansport. They were moving there from Henderson, Nevada where
Seth had lived most of his life. He opened his eyes slowly, because sunlight hurt his eyes. Just at that moment a cloud blocked the sun and Seth was grateful. He turned
his head, looked out the window and saw a wall of immensely tall evergreens gliding past him. Seth stretched and groaned.

"Almost finally there, son" Jason said looking at him in the rear view mirror.

Jason took the exit that appeared a few minutes later. The elevated off ramp curved to the left, walled in by tall Douglas firs, maples and cedars. Suddenly the
trees gave way to a breathtaking view of the ocean bay hemmed in by far off islands. Sarah took Jason's right hand into hers and squeezed it.
Off to their right Evansport lay sprawled out. The off ramp let them onto Broad Street, one of the three main drags of the Evansport peninsula. The GPS lady told
Jason to take a left turn on Cedar Drive and then a right turn at 27th Street.
A few seconds later the GPS lady cheerfully informed them that they had arrived at their destination. A two story house with wooden siding painted dove gray with white
windowsills and shutters, loomed above them on a steep incline. About twenty five mossy stone stairs lead up to the front porch. This house, like all the houses around it
was old. Much different from the cookie cutter mission style home built in the 90's they had owned in Nevada. Just then a green Jeep Cherokee approached them from behind
and the middle aged blonde woman driving tooted the horn and waved as she drove past and parked in front of them on the narrow tree lined street.
"That's Mrs. McReady, the Realtor" Jason told Sarah.
Jason got out of the car stiff legged, while Sarah also got out and opened the back door to help Seth get out.
Seth's legs felt wobbly beneath him and Sarah put her hands under his arms to help steady him.
"This is my wife Sarah and our son Seth" Jason said introducing them.
Sarah shook Deloris McReady's extended hand and exchanged greetings with her.
"And who do we have here?" Deloris asked as she reached her hand out to Seth.
Seth pulled sharply away from her.
"He's a bit shy" Sarah explained somewhat apologetically.
In fact Seth was autistic and hated to be touched by anyone except his parents and a few family members.
"And how old are you, Seth, about ten?" Deloris asked.
Seth didn't reply or even look up at her.
"He's 12 actually" Jason informed her.
Deloris regarded the boy before her. He was small and skinny with pale skin and tussled dark hair. Put some round glasses on him and he could almost pass for
Harry Potter, Deloris thought. He was clearly withdrawn and had a certain awkwardness about him. Deloris wondered what his problem was and hoped he did not have
any behavior issues that would be a problem for the neighbors. He seemed quiet enough though. Too quiet as a matter of fact.

Deloris McReady led them up the rough hewn steps which had some sort of old pipework as a banister. Seth struggled up them, still being steadied by his mother.
They all reached the large porch and after a few seconds of fubling with keys, were let inside. The first thing that struck Seth was the smell of the place. It
smelled old. I was a deep woody kind of smell that was mostly pleasent and slightly musty. It was as if the house was saying to him, "I have been around a long
long time, waiting for you". This was unlike any house that Seth had see, except maybe in a movie. It reminded him some of Bilbo's Hobbit Hole, the way it was
depicted in the movie. Both the celing walls had dark wooden beams. The doors were all the same dark wood and beveled with old fashned door knobs and skeleton
key holes. The floors were also all wood, but of mixed shades lighter than the rest of the woodwork. The living room had a large bay window. a large built in bookcase
and an enourmous rustic looking stone fireplace. There was a short staircase as well, the steps and banister also done up in dark brown wood. While Jason and Sarah
were downstairs going over things with the real estate lady, Seth climbed up the stairs, which creaked slightly. The upstairs hallway had four doors. He already knew
the door at the end of the hallway to his right, was to his new bedroom. He reached out to the old tarnished round brass doorknob, and received a small static shock.
He drew his hand back quickly and for a second, it was as if the house was laughing at him "ha ha gotcha!". It did not seem evil though, but rather cheery as if happy
to have Seth as a new occupant. Maybe houses, especially really old houses, get lonely Seth pondered. He tried the knob again, twisted it and swang the door open.
He was amazed at its size. It was at least twice the size of his old room and that had been pretty big by his reconing. The left wall was slanted as was the roof
and the celing was very high where it met up with the stright wall on the right. It was retangular and at the far end was a large retangular window. he walked up
to it, looked out and was rewarded with an amazing view of trees and other greenery along with bits of neighboring rooftops and chemneys showing through open patches.



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11 Feb 2016, 2:50 pm

Very nice, Ezra.

I would bet that you actually experienced what you wrote down. You have an excellent memory for details

Your writing actually reminds me of Herman Melville---such detail!

You should read Herman Melville, I believe he will light a fire in you.

This is what writers do mostly----write on their own experiences, and add a little fiction to embellish it.



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11 Feb 2016, 3:01 pm

Post! Post! Post!
I am getting bored.
Who's lying about being autistic here?
Anyone could be.
You, me, another you, another other you, more other you's, etc.


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11 Feb 2016, 3:44 pm

My cats don't have Asperger's.


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11 Feb 2016, 3:49 pm

My cat, Floyd, was very NT.

Zum Zum was somewhere on the Spectrum, though.



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11 Feb 2016, 3:50 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
Post! Post! Post!
I am getting bored.
Who's lying about being autistic here?
Anyone could be.
You, me, another you, another other you, more other you's, etc.


Haha you are funny.

Okay then, I'm NT. I am the most miserable, pathetic specimen of NT the world has ever known, but... I'm starting to realize this is how the world prefers to see me, regardless of my diagnosis, so I may as well make peace with it.



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11 Feb 2016, 4:14 pm

I have no disorder in my autism spectrum.
My autism spectrum is just fine.
My neurotypical spectrum is disordered.


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11 Feb 2016, 5:38 pm

I just have mental issues and I am just slow. I have no spectrum disorder. I am just a f****d up person because of mean kids and being a sick baby and being stuck in the self contained classroom and school staff being incompetent.


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