goldfish21 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
HistoryGal wrote:
Elaine has the right idea. No airy fairy hippie doo crap.
Even rags to riches means a big degree of luck. I doubt Elaine or anyone else here doesn't try.
Positive thinking to influence your reality is bull....
Keep telling yourself that & see what results you get.. it's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Then it begs the question. How do we tell what is a self-fulfilling prophecy vs not? This is another problem with the idea of positive thinking as it stands. Henry Ford said a quote that is based upon this philosophy which said "Whether You Think You Can…Or Whether You Think You Can’t…You’re Right!"
The problem with this thinking is that it is not falsifiable. Let's say I say there are only white ducks that exist and someone proves there is a blue duck that exists. He was able to disprove what I said. In our society, when I use logic and reason to disprove this philosophy in differing ways I'm told I'm being to negative. In other words, let's pretend that not being optimistic as defined by our society was against the law. By it's internal logic, one can't disprove it without being negative.
Actually, despite what almost seems like a circular reference when reading your words.. your attempts to disprove the philosophy actually strengthen the proof of it's existence!
Your own thoughts that this philosophy can't be true only serve as examples to prove it! You think it can't be fact, so, for you, it isn't! Thus proving the philosophy is in fact true.. because "Whether you think you can, or you can't, you're right." I get that your argument is against the philosophy and not against something you think you cannot do, but my point holds true. Your thoughts are "can't thoughts," and thus your belief shapes your reality that this philosophy can't hold true.. and thus proves the philosophy itself.
For anyone who thinks they can do something, that's the starting point of being able to do it, and they're more likely to go forth and accomplish what they set out to. If you think you can't, well then there's the biggest constraint to you completing something - you've already predetermined in your own mind that you cannot succeed, and so you most likely will not, IF you even bother to Try at all.
How do we objectively tell whether one can truthfully do something or not? Let's say one puts in x amount of effort. This person believes he did try as best as he could. Another person(s) says he didn't try hard enough. Who's right and who is wrong? Person who "believes" he did try hard enough or the other person(s) who says he didn't?
Let's look at Jonathan Mitchell.
http://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2017/0 ... ocial.htmlHe tried for 29 years and he tried hard.
You said "Your thoughts are "can't thoughts," and thus your belief shapes your reality that this philosophy can't hold true.. and thus proves the philosophy itself." When does it hold up as true that my "can't thoughts" does not shape one's reality and the reality of the situation is that one really can't do it? Did Mitchell have "can't thoughts" that influenced his reality or was the reality for him was that he really could not succeed and support himself? How do we tell either way? Based upon the philosophy itself it can't be falsified. There is no way one can do any testing to prove what Ford, you and others have said as false. If we're supposed to be a rational society that endorses critical thinking then isn't part of it is to learn the scientific method, science, and the philosophy of science including what is testable and falsifiable and what is not instead of going by this whole attitude mantra that attitude shapes and influences one's reality, etc, etc?
Says to himself "Why me? Why? Why couldn't I have been born in the age of reason instead of the age of BS?"