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Do you have a racial identity?
yes 38%  38%  [ 13 ]
no 38%  38%  [ 13 ]
not sure 18%  18%  [ 6 ]
other 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
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29 Jul 2020, 9:13 pm

If there is no racial identity, then how can there be racism ? Nor should there be ,
But in reality both of these words seem to have entire concepts around them ?


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29 Jul 2020, 9:15 pm

human nature being the nastiness it is, if there were no race, something would have been invented to take its place in the discrimination game.



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29 Jul 2020, 9:19 pm

starkid wrote:

So the questions are:
1) Do racial classifications exist where you live/have grown up/spent most of your life? 2) Are you considered to be part of the majority racial group in this place?
3) Is race a part of your personal identity?

It's not necessary to actually name your race or ethnicity (in fact I'd prefer that people didn't do that).


1. Don't think so
2. Yes
3. No . But ethnicity is a big part of my personal identity



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29 Jul 2020, 11:16 pm

Jakki wrote:
If there is no racial identity, then how can there be racism ?

Race may have no physical or biological basis, but that won't stop some people seeing it as meaningful. If they also see the imagined race to which they belong as somehow better (and therefore the other imagined race as worse), then that could be called racist. I suppose there could be some people who don't particularly see race as a meaningful concept but still see immigrants or those of a different skin colour, etc., as unwanted inferiors, and it might be technically incorrect to call their views racist, but I think that would be splitting hairs. Racist is (I think) just shorthand for a feeling of dislike towards people from (certain) other cultures.



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30 Jul 2020, 2:41 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
Jakki wrote:
If there is no racial identity, then how can there be racism ?

Race may have no physical or biological basis, but that won't stop some people seeing it as meaningful.

Race is more then this because local groups are also emotional different. But especially black people think bad about themself. But already this thinking about themself as the discriminated ones shows the differences. Who would even haved cared the skin color at all?
But how about replacing skin color just with money? Seems some people have less problems to discriminate others regarding their money then their skin color. How about forcing the rich ones to face always the same problems then the poor ones? :twisted:

And how about body strength, youth, beauty, gender, sexual preferences ...
People aren't equal, not even their minds are as you easily can see even here in this thread. So what's your problem with admitting this?

You are autistic and you are different? How can this be if all people are created equal? And once you have autistic children - isn't there no difference to other children? Sorry but people are different.


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30 Jul 2020, 3:30 am

Fnord wrote:
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Race is a social construct in a way that some physical features suggesting one's ancestry influence one's position in a society.
Ahh ... THAT makes sense!  Maybe that's what Jiheisho was trying to tell me all along, and I'm just too dense to get it.
I think he did, it just crashed on asserted definitions.
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If the social construct of race was successfully deconstructed, one's skin color would remain as their looks - similarily to how e.g. hair color is seen in the society of mine. Just a physical feature.
And THAT is the goal for which we should all strive -- appearance is just a thing, and "race" doesn't matter.
I completely agree. That's the world I want to live in.


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30 Jul 2020, 10:30 am

quite an extreme wrote:
Race is more then this because local groups are also emotional different. But especially black people think bad about themself. But already this thinking about themself as the discriminated ones shows the differences. Who would even haved cared the skin color at all?
But how about replacing skin color just with money? Seems some people have less problems to discriminate others regarding their money then their skin color. How about forcing the rich ones to face always the same problems then the poor ones? :twisted:

And how about body strength, youth, beauty, gender, sexual preferences ...
People aren't equal, not even their minds are as you easily can see even here in this thread. So what's your problem with admitting this?

You are autistic and you are different? How can this be if all people are created equal? And once you have autistic children - isn't there no difference to other children? Sorry but people are different.

I said "Race may have no physical or biological basis" - if you want to argue about it, sorry but you've picked on the wrong bloke, I'm not interested.



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30 Jul 2020, 11:17 am

"Different" =\= "Unequal" just as "Fair" =\= "Equal".



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30 Jul 2020, 12:43 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
I said "Race may have no physical or biological basis" - if you want to argue about it, sorry but you've picked on the wrong bloke, I'm not interested.

People aren't manufactured for this there seems to be kind of a biological basis. But in the end it's up to the people how they like to treat each other.

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"Different" =\= "Unequal" just as "Fair" =\= "Equal".

Just this. People want to be treated fair regarding how they are but not equal or the same.



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30 Jul 2020, 1:18 pm

only so far as others use it to defend me. Like autism, it means nothing to me except that I know it will change the way people treat me.



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30 Jul 2020, 7:20 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
[ If they also see the imagined race to which they belong as somehow better (and therefore the other imagined race as worse), then that could be called racist. .


And therein lies the fundamental problem. A common excuse is that "I prefer my own kind" which translates to I believe in my imagined identity despite the fact the "others" aren't actually different other than in their imagination.

It's not a quantum leap to see that the same thinking applies when NTs say I prefer normal people to people who act different e,g, Aspies



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30 Jul 2020, 8:06 pm

^^^^^^ and here in lies the essence of bigotry or softly spoken . prejudice . ^^^^^^


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30 Jul 2020, 8:54 pm

Jakki wrote:
^^^^^^ and here in lies the essence of bigotry or softly spoken . prejudice . ^^^^^^


Yes its called implicit bias



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31 Jul 2020, 7:20 am

Where does implicit bias start. And hatred begin .........? Or is this too blatant of a question.


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31 Jul 2020, 11:53 am

Whatever the hell am I...
I could just pick any skin color. Then anyone can take a guest from the rest with my facial features, dark brown hair and build. :P

There's a point that my skin is pale enough, there's also a point my skin is dark enough.
That's just the skin, and there's already a range of contexts in it.

Even more range of contexts if I'm capable of having the means of changing my hair color, facial and physical features.
So yeah, money all the way. :lol:


From my point of view, if I truly identify myself as a global citizen, then I'd be a global social charmeleon. :wink:

And my place of birth happened to be an excellent social training ground for mass version of social blending if one had what it takes.
It is very different from your socially driven autistics' compensation techniques of social blending and masking.

As an asocial autistic, would I truly care?
I identity myself as a female because it's all I know.
The same can be said with my ethnicity, along with it's language and culture.


Give or take, if I were super functional and opportunistic, I'd aim for whatever it is currently professionally and socially advantageous -- that is all. :twisted:


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31 Jul 2020, 4:40 pm

People rely on racial classifications a lot where I live and I'm part of the "majority", I guess. I've never really paid attention to my race though and find it stupid that other people focus on race so much. When I think about my "personal identity" my race doesn't really pop up at all as that's not something I'm necessarily proud of nor upset about, it's just the combination of genes that gave me the physical characteristics I have.