If There Was a War Between NTs & Autistics.......

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05 Oct 2007, 12:13 am

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All Ive really been trying to get across here is that humanity doesn't decide what is a "disability" nature does that. How effective an individual is at survival isn't as important as the fact that they can survive. If they can theres nothing wrong with them.


Except that "nature" didn't invent the word "disability," humans did. Therefore humans get to decide how to define it. That's like saying that nature determines what a "tree" is. Nope. Nature may have created the objects that we call "trees," but humans decided to call the big tall things covered in bark "trees" and the shorter things with the petals and pollen "flowers." If we suddenly started calling "trees" "flowers" and "flowers" "trees", would nature even be aware of the change? Not so much. The semantic label is all us.



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05 Oct 2007, 4:38 am

Can we just rename this thread, "If there was a war between Fraya and Radient Aspie......."

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C'mon guys... Whose side are you on? I can't decide because both make good points, but then both have an opinion that I cannot agree with completely.


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05 Oct 2007, 6:28 am

I don't know about genetics, or categorization, and I don't really care; I only care about the reality on the ground. That being that there arises a general consensus regarding the Aspergian experience in the NT world (after you've read through enough posts on this site).

I don't think war would be at all practicable, and I don't think that it would be an answer to our problems at all; I certainly don't believe in genocide, or wars of genocide.

In theory, if such a war ever did happen: it wouldn't be a matter of choosing sides, a matter of participating in it or staying home and watching it all on CNN; anyone who bore the label would be sufficiently suspect as to end up being interned somewhere, even if they desired no part in it.

People here speak of creating separate communities (that we could at least come home to after work, at a minimum); I'd prefer that route myself. Just living among people like me, without provoking anyone on the outside; it's an old but true adage: the best way to win a war is not to have it in the first place.

An "Aspie nation" would be just fine by me; but I don't think it should be at all aggressive or belligerent if we ever start one. I wouldn't want to live in a place that bore even a remote resemblance to Nazi Germany (odd coming from someone living in America, I know); I'd want it to be much more like Woodstock, personally (albeit a well-kept enough secret so as not to attract a bunch of NT hippie sorts who would overwhelm us by their numbers and take over the whole scene).


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05 Oct 2007, 8:18 am

The war is going well. In the first battle the real men took rocks and killed each other, the aspies went looking for rocks, became distracted, found some with sharp edges, and by the time they got back it was over.

In the second battle real men took the sharp rocks from the aspies, and went and killed each other. Aspies tied sticks to their rocks, but the real men were stronger, took them, and killed each other.

Aspies made metal weapons, and though it took a long time, real men killed each other.

Then came crossbows, and guns, the slaughter went on.

Now it is rare to find a man who can kill with a rock, spear, or sword.

They all need guns, tanks, planes, all those aspie inventions.

Even when aspies get involved, it is soon discovered that Sgt Rock does not do computers, make maps, or have the encylopedia in memory, so they stay in the rear and help the generals count the dead.

The path to the front lines leads through the foot ball team, and aspies do not go out for sports.

People who unite behind flags and religions, have to find other flags and religions to kill, it does seem to be declining. It will take a while, they will all be dead.

As George Patton said, winning is making the other poor bastard die for his country.

I am all in favor of the NT war, we should give our enemy the best weapons possible.

We slowly evolve in the direction of getting smarter, and rapidly get rid of the dumb in war.

At one time, not that long ago, 99.9% was, Og hit with rock.

Our words, thoughts, inventions, have slaughtered billions.

We win every battle.



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05 Oct 2007, 8:27 am

Yeah, I think even if war was declared on Aspies/Autistics the AS side would most likely want to bring about a peaceful resolution (just so they could leave us alone and we could get back to what we were doing).

If, however, war was inevitable, I wouldn't rule out an Aspie victory at all. We think outside the box in ways difficult for NT's to predict. We might revolutionise the way the war is waged.

Many of us are very much on the borderline of the spectrum (particularly those of us who have adapted over the years) and while we identify as AS we can pass for NT and infiltrate their networks.

But finally, a total eradication of either side is impossible. Even if they killed us all off, they'd be having AS babies the very next day. Even with genetic testing, there's no definitive way of wiping out either strain... We are all aspects of humanity.


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05 Oct 2007, 8:59 am

I'd become a pirate.



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05 Oct 2007, 9:14 am

Besides, if the NT's got rid of us, who'd keep the internet running for them?


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05 Oct 2007, 10:51 am

I'd sit back with some popcorn and watch most likely. If I had to fight, I would fight with the Aspies, but I'd probably trip and wind up breaking my neck, so I would be both a winner and a loser in this war :P


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05 Oct 2007, 12:12 pm

Shall we kill the sand people before or after the NTs 8O



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05 Oct 2007, 12:17 pm

Fraya wrote:
NTs arent exactly shy about expressing their desire to commit genocide against the aspie people (through prenatal testing and "cures") so why should I believe NTs existence to be desirable much less necessary?

Id obviously be on the ASDs side but we would be severely outnumbered.


I do not understand this. Aspies have done amazing things. Why wouldn't they want geniuses to exist? Read Kurt Vonegut's Essay Harrison Bergeron. It is about society forcing everyone to be average. If we do nothing, this will occur to at least an extent.


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05 Oct 2007, 1:14 pm

To go back to the original question, I wonder, in truth, just how many of us would be found in the NT high command, polishing boots and kissing posteriors?

Not all, I know, but still, perhaps FAR too many.

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05 Oct 2007, 1:28 pm

We'd still undoubtedly be victorious, mainly from the technological advances we have over them. That, and you'd all have me on your side. I'd go 'Vlad the Impaler' on thousands of NT's, and that doesn't require too much technology, just proficient combat skills and one pissed off man (me). :wink:

Fraya wrote:
NTs arent exactly shy about expressing their desire to commit genocide against the aspie people (through prenatal testing and "cures") so why should I believe NTs existence to be desirable much less necessary?

Id obviously be on the ASDs side but we would be severely outnumbered.



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05 Oct 2007, 1:48 pm

Helsinger wrote:
We'd still undoubtedly be victorious, mainly from the technological advances we have over them. That, and you'd all have me on your side. I'd go 'Vlad the Impaler' on thousands of NT's, and that doesn't require too much technology, just proficient combat skills and one pissed off man (me). :wink:


I think that is SO SWEET. :wink:

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PS. You'd probably need a mallet too...



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05 Oct 2007, 2:28 pm

AnnabelLee wrote:
Fraya wrote:
NTs arent exactly shy about expressing their desire to commit genocide against the aspie people (through prenatal testing and "cures") so why should I believe NTs existence to be desirable much less necessary?

Id obviously be on the ASDs side but we would be severely outnumbered.


I do not understand this. Aspies have done amazing things. Why wouldn't they want geniuses to exist? Read Kurt Vonegut's Essay Harrison Bergeron. It is about society forcing everyone to be average. If we do nothing, this will occur to at least an extent.


Please support youe hypothesis with some reasoning.



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05 Oct 2007, 5:55 pm

The only people that I would like to fight against, are CAN, DAN and Autism Speaks.


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