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01 Feb 2008, 5:58 pm

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01 Feb 2008, 6:46 pm

Well put it this way, the reason I believe in god is because he spoke to me, I heard his voice, and I don't hallucinate voices . . . only music. And that's probably a result of being a long-standing music major.

That, I figure if a religion says that we should love everyone and treat everyone fairly, then I'll follow it. Why not abide by the main concepts? Thou shalt not judge? Hello? Most of us have been judged pretty damn harshly by other people all our lives.

God says do not judge.

I am an aspie and I try to follow that, because I've seen what happens when people ignore the rule. That and I've been on the receiving end of way too much judging, so I know that I don't want to be one of the ones doing that.

God says love everyone, not everyone except . . .

Certain sects of every religion out there have a list of who to hate, or who they have a right to judge based on random arbitrary meaning.

Plenty of people claim to love everyone, "even gays," as someone I knew told me once, thinking himself self-righteous for the proclamation, but those same people quaver when really put to the test with people who do things that they don't like, or people who don't respect them back, or maybe people that they just find difficult and strange. Ooo, Aspies.

Ultimately, here's my aspie take on Christianity:

Aspies need to treat and love NTs equally, as well as other aspies . . .

and

NTs need to treat and love aspies equally, as well as other NTs . . .


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01 Feb 2008, 6:50 pm

I like the branches of Christianity that focus on God's unconditional love, and not on his wrath.


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01 Feb 2008, 6:55 pm

lastcrazyhorn wrote:
Well put it this way, the reason I believe in god is because he spoke to me, I heard his voice, and I don't hallucinate voices . . . only music. And that's probably a result of being a long-standing music major.

That, I figure if a religion says that we should love everyone and treat everyone fairly, then I'll follow it. Why not abide by the main concepts? Thou shalt not judge? Hello? Most of us have been judged pretty damn harshly by other people all our lives.

God says do not judge.

I am an aspie and I try to follow that, because I've seen what happens when people ignore the rule. That and I've been on the receiving end of way too much judging, so I know that I don't want to be one of the ones doing that.

God says love everyone, not everyone except . . .

Certain sects of every religion out there have a list of who to hate, or who they have a right to judge based on random arbitrary meaning.

Plenty of people claim to love everyone, "even gays," as someone I knew told me once, thinking himself self-righteous for the proclamation, but those same people quaver when really put to the test with people who do things that they don't like, or people who don't respect them back, or maybe people that they just find difficult and strange. Ooo, Aspies.

Ultimately, here's my aspie take on Christianity:

Aspies need to treat and love NTs equally, as well as other aspies . . .

and

NTs need to treat and love aspies equally, as well as other NTs . . .


A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.
Friedrich Nietzsche

If you heard a voice of a person that was not there, obviously you should get it checked out with an MRI. The human mind imagines tons of things; it does not make them true.

Why do you need religion? Can't you love everyone without it? Or do you need some father figure in the sky?

We need judging, bad ideas must be thrown out. Its easy, just think about it: without judging of what is good or bad, we would not have the sophisticated society we have today. Do you not judge what food is good or bad to eat? Same thing with bad ideas, and religion is one of them.



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01 Feb 2008, 6:59 pm

Kalister1 wrote:
Why do you need religion? Can't you love everyone without it? Or do you need some father figure in the sky?


Exactaly.



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01 Feb 2008, 8:00 pm

It's referring to people when it says not to judge. We're not to make judgements of people.

God writes the story lines of life.

I have no worthwhile father figure in my life. God is neither male nor female, but represents all of us.

I think what you're thinking of is organized religion. No, I do not need organized religion. But I do converse with the story teller, and ask for support and strength of will. And there are times that I have not had the will, but I have continued to exist regardless.

I do not believe in luck. Life is composed of choices. There is possibility for everyone if they can cognate at some level. It just depends on the choices made.

For me, religion is the hidden ties that connect us all to one another. The story teller writes the setting, the action, the ending . . . the people make the choices within the setting and basic outline. We are all connected. We are all part of one another. What you do to one, you do to all, because somewhere at some point someone will experience the same thing once again.

We have the experiences we have because they are the means by which we can use to communicate with other people. Certain experiences create people who only speak in certain languages: cognitively, mentally, socially, emotionally, physically . . . not everyone learns the same way, not everyone thinks the same way. When we are given different and more challenging situations to face, then we are given a chance to be able to communicate better with someone, someday, that we would have no other viable connection to otherwise.


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01 Feb 2008, 8:03 pm

I am god. I write the story of my own life.


There cannot be a God because if there were one, I could not believe that I was not He.
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01 Feb 2008, 8:05 pm

Kalister1 wrote:
I am god. I write the story of my own life.


You can be god, but you are not my god.

You can write the story of your own life, but god comes up with the motifs.


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01 Feb 2008, 8:09 pm

lastcrazyhorn wrote:
Kalister1 wrote:
I am god. I write the story of my own life.


You can be god, but you are not my god.

You can write the story of your own life, but god comes up with the motifs.


I do not allow dead gods to influence my life, I am the author. Every action I take is another nail in his coffin.

“Man can will nothing unless he has first understood that he must count on no one but himself; that he is alone, abandoned on earth in the midst of his infinite responsibilities, without help, with no other aim than the one he sets himself, with no other destiny than the one he forges for himself on this earth.” - Sartre


"..Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition? Gods, too, decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.." - Nietzsche, The Gay Science



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01 Feb 2008, 8:19 pm

You have to live before you can die.

You cannot limit Xe (S/He) with life.

You paint the picture; god supplies the colors.


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01 Feb 2008, 8:21 pm

lastcrazyhorn wrote:
You have to live before you can die.

You cannot limit Xe (S/He) with life.

You paint the picture; god supplies the colors.


How do you know that? Maybe Zeus supplies the colors? Or the super godzilla in the sky? Does a god necessarily even have to be the catalyst?



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01 Feb 2008, 8:25 pm

God is Mr. Is. I'll stick with calling him a guy just for ease. He cannot be limited by description. He is too much to be described.

I know because there were times when I should not have lived, but still do. I know because I believe in the physicalities of the world. I believe that when I get up in the morning, up is still up and down is still down, and in certain parts of the world, water swirls counterclockwise down the drain, and in other parts, water swirls clockwise.

I believe in god because he believes in me.


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01 Feb 2008, 8:28 pm

lastcrazyhorn wrote:
God is Mr. Is. I'll stick with calling him a guy just for ease. He cannot be limited by description. He is too much to be described.

I know because there were times when I should not have lived, but still do. I know because I believe in the physicalities of the world. I believe that when I get up in the morning, up is still up and down is still down, and in certain parts of the world, water swirls counterclockwise down the drain, and in other parts, water swirls clockwise.

I believe in god because he believes in me.


What a cop out.



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01 Feb 2008, 8:33 pm

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lastcrazyhorn wrote:
God is Mr. Is. I'll stick with calling him a guy just for ease. He cannot be limited by description. He is too much to be described.

I know because there were times when I should not have lived, but still do. I know because I believe in the physicalities of the world. I believe that when I get up in the morning, up is still up and down is still down, and in certain parts of the world, water swirls counterclockwise down the drain, and in other parts, water swirls clockwise.

I believe in god because he believes in me.


What a cop out.


God says to love. God created me. God created the sun. God created gravity. God created the moon and water and the animals. God's pretty cool all considered. I mean, where else will someone put me AND the sun AND THE world in the same idea together? God has humor - besides looking at me, look at the duck billed platypus. Look at the T-Rex. Itty bitty arms. Big teeth. Pretty crazy design and yet it seemed to work pretty good.

Obviously god is an aspie, because look at how he thinks . . . he thinks in pictures. :) And his pictures move and are in 3D, just like mine.


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01 Feb 2008, 8:34 pm

lastcrazyhorn wrote:
God is Mr. Is. I'll stick with calling him a guy just for ease. He cannot be limited by description. He is too much to be described.

I know because there were times when I should not have lived, but still do. I know because I believe in the physicalities of the world. I believe that when I get up in the morning, up is still up and down is still down, and in certain parts of the world, water swirls counterclockwise down the drain, and in other parts, water swirls clockwise.

I believe in god because he believes in me.


The first part sounds just like a cop out. Even things that are beyond what humans can accurately imagine (the number of atoms in the Universe), can still be described with mathematics and words. You can't accurately imagine every single atom in the Universe, but you can describe it, and crudely imagine it, using scientific models and such.

The second reasoning is called post ho reasoning. Gamblers do it alot; they win the lotto and think it was a lucky shirt, or some other bit of nonsense. If you know the physical limitations of the world, its obvious that a Judeo-Christian God can not exist (When I say God, I mean the Judeo Christian God specifically).

Your talking about an epistemological question, the difference between thinking and belief. You THINK up will still be up , and down will still be done, because there is mountains of evidence to support it. You also think that water swirls that way because you have witnessed it, or heard credible evidence that supports it.

No one thinks god exists, they believe it, because there is not a shred of evidence.



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01 Feb 2008, 8:35 pm

lastcrazyhorn wrote:
Mark198423 wrote:
lastcrazyhorn wrote:
God is Mr. Is. I'll stick with calling him a guy just for ease. He cannot be limited by description. He is too much to be described.

I know because there were times when I should not have lived, but still do. I know because I believe in the physicalities of the world. I believe that when I get up in the morning, up is still up and down is still down, and in certain parts of the world, water swirls counterclockwise down the drain, and in other parts, water swirls clockwise.

I believe in god because he believes in me.


What a cop out.


God says to love. God created me. God created the sun. God created gravity. God created the moon and water and the animals. God's pretty cool all considered. I mean, where else will someone put me AND the sun AND THE world in the same idea together? God has humor - besides looking at me, look at the duck billed platypus. Look at the T-Rex. Itty bitty arms. Big teeth. Pretty crazy design and yet it seemed to work pretty good.

Obviously god is an aspie, because look at how he thinks . . . he thinks in pictures. :) And his pictures move and are in 3D, just like mine.


You mean a book, writing by Bronze Age mystics, tells you God created these things? You can not prove that these books were not written simply by man.