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06 Apr 2009, 5:51 pm

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that's an interesting theory but what about the people with asperger's who have absolutely no scandinavian ancestors?


Like me. Ashkenzik down to my tonails. Strictly eastern European and Near East. Not a blue eye or blond hair in my family line.

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Similar case here, every single person in my family has black hair and dark brown or black eyes, I have zero North European ancestry. AS may be more prevalent in some ethnic groups than others, but I don't know of any actual evidence that that is the case, or that Scandinavians are more prone to it. Those who think that stereotypical behaviour of a culture is genetically determined need to get out more.


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06 Apr 2009, 6:22 pm

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Any credibility this idea had immediately went out the window when I read that the OP thinks Finns are Scandinavians.


And WHY is THAT?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia

Still, scandinavians, in general, AREN'T recluses, etc... They just have a different way of life. Incidently, it is a way that is closer to how europeans were.

HECK, when I was in denmark, it didn't seem anymore aloof than a place like the U.S. People could go out, they had shows they could watch on TV, knew their neighboors, had school mates, etc....



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06 Apr 2009, 6:45 pm

I strongly disagree, i live in sweden but i'm not swedish and i know that swedish people are mostly extroverted, loud, obnoxious and most definitely not aspies. they even pick on those who are socially awkward.



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06 Apr 2009, 7:07 pm

I had a Chilean student who is autistic. Also, I have read that autism is quite high among the Somali immigrants to the U.S. and saw a video about a school for autistic kids in, I think it was, Dubai. Autism seems to be part of the human condition, with lots of variants.


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06 Apr 2009, 7:31 pm

The only Swedish people I've met are social. My friend Inge never stops talking. Mind he is in a rock band.



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06 Apr 2009, 8:41 pm

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I always knew that autism was Scandinavian/Germanic. Look at any autistic person and you'll see the physical Scandinavian/Germanic traits.

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this site.

There are certainly autistic people who are very unlikely to have any Northern European descent at all - for example, as ngoz there has recently been something of a fuss about rates of autism in the children of Somali immigrants to the US. Now I could be wrong but it seems very unlikely to me that there are a lot of people of Scandinavian descent in Somalia.... :roll: At any rate these children certainly do not display the physical traits associated with Scandinavians (like blond hair and blue eyes - not that all Scandinavians look that way).

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And WHY is THAT?

Because Finland isn't Scandinavia.

The accepted meaning of "Scandinavia" is Denmark, Norway and Sweden.

Of course it is impossible to break people's genetic lineage down by national borders, but Finland is not a Scandinavian country by the accepted meaning of the term. It is significantly different from them culturally, linguistically and so on. (An exception could be made for Åland which is culturally Swedish but politically an autonomous region of Finland.)

The Scandinavian countries each have their own character but in general they are more similar to each other than they are to Finland. I have been to all these countries and have friends from all of them and I don't think I've ever heard a Finn describe themselves as Scandinavian or a Scandinavian describe Finns as such.

"Nordic countries" is the accepted term for the three Scandinavian countries plus Finland and Iceland (and the autonomous territories of those countries; Åland, the Faroes and Greenland).



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07 Apr 2009, 6:33 am

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Autism played a large part in that development. I see it as a major cause of the rise of art and technology, which dates it to before two ice ages ago.

Scandinavians...


Apart from the total lack of evidence for anything you're saying, let me point out that Western civilization is NOT Scandinavian. Civilization in Europe was spread by Southern Italians (Rome) who had in turn based their civilization on that of a Balkan people (the Greeks) that, among many other things, invented mathematics as a science. They in turn had been influenced by other civilizations such as ancient Egypt, but not by then barbarian Scandinavia. Given Italy's place in both the Renaissance and the classical world, surely Western art is more Italian than Scandinavian. Though given other posts, I'm sure the definition of Scandinavian will be stretched to encompass Italy and Greece and Egypt and (why not?) Somali immigrant children.


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07 Apr 2009, 7:02 am

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Ana54 wrote:
I always knew that autism was Scandinavian/Germanic. Look at any autistic person and you'll see the physical Scandinavian/Germanic traits.

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this site.

There are certainly autistic people who are very unlikely to have any Northern European descent at all - for example, as ngoz there has recently been something of a fuss about rates of autism in the children of Somali immigrants to the US. Now I could be wrong but it seems very unlikely to me that there are a lot of people of Scandinavian descent in Somalia.... :roll: At any rate these children certainly do not display the physical traits associated with Scandinavians (like blond hair and blue eyes - not that all Scandinavians look that way).

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And WHY is THAT?

Because Finland isn't Scandinavia.

The accepted meaning of "Scandinavia" is Denmark, Norway and Sweden.

Of course it is impossible to break people's genetic lineage down by national borders, but Finland is not a Scandinavian country by the accepted meaning of the term. It is significantly different from them culturally, linguistically and so on. (An exception could be made for Åland which is culturally Swedish but politically an autonomous region of Finland.)

The Scandinavian countries each have their own character but in general they are more similar to each other than they are to Finland. I have been to all these countries and have friends from all of them and I don't think I've ever heard a Finn describe themselves as Scandinavian or a Scandinavian describe Finns as such.

"Nordic countries" is the accepted term for the three Scandinavian countries plus Finland and Iceland (and the autonomous territories of those countries; Åland, the Faroes and Greenland).


Check it out, the current definition DOES say part of finland is scandinavian.

BTW, to the person that spoke so much about rome, The current accepted BIGGEST creator of the english language is DANISH! And Danish DOES bear a REMARKABLE resemblance to norwegian and swedish. GRANTED, finnish is different, but I seem to recall similarities THERE also. Look at wikipediaa:

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Migration of Germanic peoples to Britain from what is now northern Germany and southern Scandinavia is attested from the 5th century (e.g. Undley bracteate).[8] Based on Bede's Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum, the intruding population is traditionally divided into Angles, Saxons and Jutes, but their composition is likely to have been less clear-cut, and may also have included Frisians and Franks. The Parker Library holds the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle which is the first recorded indication of the movement of these Germanic Tribes to Britain.



Latin DEFINITELY played a part, but so did Danish and German. Say Knives to an ancient roman, or german, and they may not understand you. But a dane might think it was danish if you wrote it!



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07 Apr 2009, 7:08 am

dougn wrote:
Ana54 wrote:
I always knew that autism was Scandinavian/Germanic. Look at any autistic person and you'll see the physical Scandinavian/Germanic traits.

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this site.

There are certainly autistic people who are very unlikely to have any Northern European descent at all - for example, as ngoz there has recently been something of a fuss about rates of autism in the children of Somali immigrants to the US. Now I could be wrong but it seems very unlikely to me that there are a lot of people of Scandinavian descent in Somalia.... :roll: At any rate these children certainly do not display the physical traits associated with Scandinavians (like blond hair and blue eyes - not that all Scandinavians look that way).


You may certainly have a point THERE. There are NO traits that are distinctively scandinavian anyway. They are just considered a variant of caucasion. And the scandinavians
generally spread influence where there was some way for them to improve or profit in some way. I DOUBT somalia ever met EITHER goal.



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07 Apr 2009, 7:31 am

What about all the black aspies?
I know Germans who are supersocial and not awkward at all. I would never have noticed a tendency like that.



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07 Apr 2009, 7:32 am

One of swedens great authors, Mikael Niemi, describe the ways of the northswedes as autistic.


Few words, few facial expressions.


Focus on northern scandinavia, and you're reaching something with this discussion..

/M - swede



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07 Apr 2009, 7:40 am

I disagree too that Asperger's Syndrome should be Scandinavian.
Also that Scandinavians generally should be socially awkward. (They also pick on those who are socially awkward, like it was said about the Swedes).
Why else should they find any different in those of us Scandinavians who are aspies?

As for being socially awkward, one has to be careful not to mix it up with mere cultural difference. Some people from some cultures may act more reserved than others without that meaning that they are aspies or other kinds of autistics.

BTW I have brown hair and brown eyes. And all my family is Danish as far back as I know.



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07 Apr 2009, 10:43 am

I'm Swedish (part Norwegian) and although Scandinavians tend to be less exuberanty in their social behaviour, the social code is quite complex, maybe even more complex, because the social signals are so subtle. So in a sense it's actually worse here, because the signals people send out are very weak. However, I'd say it's easier to get away with being shy or reserved here, as it is not considered odd...



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07 Apr 2009, 10:46 am

2ukenkerl wrote:
BTW, to the person that spoke so much about rome, The current accepted BIGGEST creator of the english language is DANISH! And Danish DOES bear a REMARKABLE resemblance to norwegian and swedish. GRANTED, finnish is different, but I seem to recall similarities THERE also. Look at wikipediaa:

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Migration of Germanic peoples to Britain from what is now northern Germany and southern Scandinavia is attested from the 5th century (e.g. Undley bracteate).[8] Based on Bede's Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum, the intruding population is traditionally divided into Angles, Saxons and Jutes, but their composition is likely to have been less clear-cut, and may also have included Frisians and Franks. The Parker Library holds the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle which is the first recorded indication of the movement of these Germanic Tribes to Britain.



Latin DEFINITELY played a part, but so did Danish and German. Say Knives to an ancient roman, or german, and they may not understand you. But a dane might think it was danish if you wrote it!


So? I wrote that Western civilization, esp. art and science, was of Greek and Roman origin, not that English is a Romance language or that all Western languages derive from Latin (civilization =/= spoken language). The Danes themselves write using the Roman alphabet. Long after the Romans were gone from Britain, Latin remained the language of ideas and learning.


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07 Apr 2009, 10:51 am

Scandinavia is where I've always wanted to go to!

I don't particularly have Scandinavian ancestors, but I have blonde hair and blue eyes.



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07 Apr 2009, 12:18 pm

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I think Asperger's Syndrome originated in Scandinavia.

I've never met a Scandinavian (Norwegian, Danish, Swedish, Icelandic, Greenlandic, Finnish) person who isn't socially awkward.


Well, its a theory. I'm not saying its a good one.


I think it is more part of our culture:

Ask an American what he/she think about the weather: "Its snowing, awesome! I'm gonna hit the hills with my snowboard dude!"

Ask a Swede what he/she think about the weather: "F-ing snow again! I hate this miserable cold place!"

You will get similar answers for the questions "How are you?" and "Have you had a nice weekend?".

In short: We say what we really think here. Thats why (at least) Swedish people can be percieved a bit "cold" and directly go for the business talk.



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Scandinavia is where I've always wanted to go to!


Save your money. Go to northern scotland, bury yourself in snow and have a few people stand around you telling you that you are worthless.


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