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10 Mar 2008, 1:07 pm

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What is so hideous about 'NT'? I'll say it if I need to. It's not my fault that some people abuse it or otherwise see it in the wrong light. The only problem I see is that it can be too easy to label and stereotype people, but I trust that the person I'm speaking to has the intelligence/understanding to know that 'NT/neurotypical' is a valid description, not bigoted slang.

I know my brother and friends are neurotypical, but does that mean I think they are bad people and don't have their own unique personalities? NO!


There's no need to use the flipping phrase at all. We are all people, and we as in aspies have aspergers, they have nothing! There's no need to call them anything!


Well, actually, we lack something, thus we are autistic. They on the other side have that which we lack. NT is a term that should describe what they have, namely empathy and TOM.

NT can used as an insult - It's just how disability is used as an insult by taking it out of the context and giving it a new meaning. But seriously, saying we should consider to stop using a term makes other people than us use the term with the intention to insult all the same. So why not make it a term that is not recognised as an insult by using it in a fair, friendly and reasonable context?



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10 Mar 2008, 1:35 pm

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What is so hideous about 'NT'? I'll say it if I need to. It's not my fault that some people abuse it or otherwise see it in the wrong light. The only problem I see is that it can be too easy to label and stereotype people, but I trust that the person I'm speaking to has the intelligence/understanding to know that 'NT/neurotypical' is a valid description, not bigoted slang.

I know my brother and friends are neurotypical, but does that mean I think they are bad people and don't have their own unique personalities? NO!


There's no need to use the flipping phrase at all. We are all people, and we as in aspies have aspergers, they have nothing! There's no need to call them anything!


Well, actually, we lack something, thus we are autistic. They on the other side have that which we lack. NT is a term that should describe what they have, namely empathy and TOM.

NT can used as an insult - It's just how disability is used as an insult by taking it out of the context and giving it a new meaning. But seriously, saying we should consider to stop using a term makes other people than us use the term with the intention to insult all the same. So why not make it a term that is not recognised as an insult by using it in a fair, friendly and reasonable context?


:shrug: Seriously, there's no need to use it at all. Its just so you lot can rant :x



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10 Mar 2008, 1:53 pm

benjimanbreeg wrote:
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What is so hideous about 'NT'? I'll say it if I need to. It's not my fault that some people abuse it or otherwise see it in the wrong light. The only problem I see is that it can be too easy to label and stereotype people, but I trust that the person I'm speaking to has the intelligence/understanding to know that 'NT/neurotypical' is a valid description, not bigoted slang.

I know my brother and friends are neurotypical, but does that mean I think they are bad people and don't have their own unique personalities? NO!


There's no need to use the flipping phrase at all. We are all people, and we as in aspies have aspergers, they have nothing! There's no need to call them anything!


Well, actually, we lack something, thus we are autistic. They on the other side have that which we lack. NT is a term that should describe what they have, namely empathy and TOM.

NT can used as an insult - It's just how disability is used as an insult by taking it out of the context and giving it a new meaning. But seriously, saying we should consider to stop using a term makes other people than us use the term with the intention to insult all the same. So why not make it a term that is not recognised as an insult by using it in a fair, friendly and reasonable context?


:shrug: Seriously, there's no need to use it at all. Its just so you lot can rant :x


To me it already came in handy when I explained what autism is to my friends. So there was a need for it at least once. Haha, couldn't resist, seriously.
I do understand where you come from, because I actually left a forum, not an English one, as autistic people there kept changing 'NT' into other words and say how perfectly normal and not disabling autism spectrum disorder are to their mind and how all NTs are mean bastards. That was... oh, I don't know, I don't get that attitude.



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10 Mar 2008, 2:08 pm

Well ok, just that once was ok :wink:

Oh please find me that thread :twisted: . Were they speaking foreign though? But they are the kind of peole i'm talking about. The same people who probably read this thread and were too cowardly to post on here, cause deep down they know they're wrong!



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10 Mar 2008, 4:26 pm

Is it wrong to use "aspie"? "NT" here basically means "non-aspie", nothing more, nothing less.


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10 Mar 2008, 4:37 pm

but why call them anything? Just say this guy or girl. We have a disorder, they don't



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10 Mar 2008, 4:38 pm

When I first saw the abbreviation "NT" on here I seriously thought we were talking about a Microsoft® product.

I actually like the term "NT" because it has a good ring to it.



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10 Mar 2008, 5:04 pm

benjimanbreeg wrote:
but why call them anything? Just say this guy or girl. We have a disorder, they don't


Yeah, but what if you want to refer to them collectively, for example wanting to know if they typically have as much trouble with something that gives you trouble, or other things like that?


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10 Mar 2008, 5:04 pm

benjimanbreeg wrote:
but why call them anything? Just say this guy or girl. We have a disorder, they don't


Guy or girl and be anyone. We label to specify.

I don't like labels either, but denying their practicity is pointless.


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10 Mar 2008, 6:23 pm

So if you were talking about a person with Pschitzophrenia, would you call them a pschitzo? This "NT" phrase is pointless.



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10 Mar 2008, 6:36 pm

"Schizo" is degoratory. I would called them "schizophrenic." "NT" isn't a degoratory term, it's neutral. It's not a good label - definitely not precise or accurate - but it's the label for non-aspies, non-schizophrenics, non-ADDers etc.


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10 Mar 2008, 6:41 pm

Like I said, no need to call them anything then, and its mostly used as a negative on these forums anyway.



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10 Mar 2008, 6:46 pm

[quote="benjimanbreeg"]but why call them anything? Just say this guy or girl. We have a disorder, they don't[/quote]
I fail to see what's so upsetting about this one label, as long as it isn't twisted into an insult. It is a term with a real definition, so it is a logical way to categorize in a world where differences abound. We have a disorder only according to accepted standards, but that doesn't mean we have a disability. It was an NT who labeled us as having Aspergers' syndrome in the first place. What works for you in life might not work so well for me; that's why human beings are so different from one another. In this world, we have aspies, auties, NT's, women, men, Americans, blacks, whites, nerds, socialites, and people who speak many languages and have different accents. And you know what? I'm fine with being different myself, because without all the diversity, this world would be soooooo BORING.



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10 Mar 2008, 6:50 pm

I say NT because it's short and convenient. Personally, there are a lot of reasons I wouldn't describe someone as really neuro-typical. Like if they had any major natural strength or weakness at anything, if they were just naturally good at writing or had a natural talent at math for example, wouldn't that make them not really neuro-typical?

We could call them NAs, non-aspies. Of course NA usually stands for "not applicable" ;p



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10 Mar 2008, 6:50 pm

How would you refer to them then?


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10 Mar 2008, 6:51 pm

KateShroud wrote:
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but why call them anything? Just say this guy or girl. We have a disorder, they don't

I fail to see what's so upsetting about this one label, as long as it isn't twisted into an insult. It is a term with a real definition, so it is a logical way to categorize in a world where differences abound. We have a disorder only according to accepted standards, but that doesn't mean we have a disability. It was an NT who labeled us as having Aspergers' syndrome in the first place. What works for you in life might not work so well for me; that's why human beings are so different from one another. In this world, we have aspies, auties, NT's, women, men, Americans, blacks, whites, nerds, socialites, and people who speak many languages and have different accents. And you know what? I'm fine with being different myself, because without all the diversity, this world would be soooooo BORING.


hey thats fine, yeah everyone is different. I just don't see the point of using nt. I have heard loads of people talking about them like they're the enemy though.