alex doesn't have Asperger's

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MysteryFan3,

That's in relation to adults too, it even has it in the DSM-IV-TR (it says it can actually get worst over time):

2ukenkerl,

I never said that someone with AS cannot talk to others. The whole point of AS is someone with autism who has the ability to approach others (the ability to talk adequately, whereas in autism there's usually the inability to speak adequately without a mechanical aid), it's just that this approach will be severely impaired compared to "normal" people. This is why it's a disorder. You said it, it is social communication that breaks down, or is severely impaired, not other forms of communication.

They probably like to undiagnose most people who are more successful than themselves.

lol, I find this humorous because I've added some people as "friends" who have AS on some other thingies I'm involved in... I've got about 6-7 friends who are autistic, and have carried on conversations with only one of them, as the others just sit there while I talk non-stop, or vice versa. Eventually after only one of us talks, or after a while of neither of us really making sense because our thoughts are so random and we keep interrupting one another without acknowledging each other, we wind up with a conversation that made absolutely no sense and someone always has to go within the hour, lol.

It's sort of like communication, but really isn't... it's kind of like 2 people just randomly saying things, stating facts that pertain to nothing, and if the conversation does "click", it only lasts a few seconds, and it's only on things we both can relate on.

Maybe it has to do with my obsession with figuring out exactly what I do that is different than others, constantly focusing on it so I can get a better understanding of myself and all... These things tend to REALLY stick out to me when I realize what I'm doing. I often come across VERY selfish (not the intention at all, but the reality of listening to someone talk about themselves that long just makes me assume that is how others see me), and I often sit there and try to figure out how many times I said "I" or "me" during the conversation as I spoke.

The outcome is always: On my side, nothing was asked about the other person, no questions were exchanged to ask about something unless I just didn't "get it" and needed it explained better. Almost every single sentence I said started with "I" or was redirected to myself...

Daniel, let me ask you this, what happens when an aspie learns to do two way conversations, does that mean they don't have AS anymore?

See here:

One can learn to reply to certain words based on remembering how others have replied before (mimicking), through trial and error with the person in question (learning); one can learn, but it will never be fluid and free flowing like someone without an ASD. This learning isn't the majority (it would have said such), but one-sided, verbose, and often times insensitive conversations are the norm for someone with AS. The diagnostic criteria [and its expanded information] says such.

Even if one can learn what to say in every situation, they'll still be impaired in the nonverbal areas of social interaction; not knowing when to speak for example, and then interrupting people. I believe sedaka mentioned that alex did such.

There's just too many areas affected in social interaction to compensate with intellect.

As I've said before Aspergers is a diagnosis made by observing a bunch of symptoms - unlike most diagnosis's which are made by observing the condition itself.

There is no absolute detection and there are no absolutely required conditions (you just need to score enough of the basic ones to qualify).

Choosing a single symptom and saying X doesn't have aspergers because they obviously don't have symptom Y just doesn't count.

Plus, it's a bit of an insult to Alex if you ask me.

I have two questions.

1: who is daniel??

2: what are two way interactions???

It's not just an insult to Alex, it's an insult to the whole AS/autism community because that person is also saying they don't have AS either because they can do two-sided conversations. I was also insulted by this thread, not by mw99 but by Daniel's beliefs. You can't believe everything you read about autism.


Daniel is Danielismyname.


Two way conversations is talking to another person, having a conversation with them. When one person talks, while the other listens, and they take turns talking and listening.

I have tendencies to hog up the conversations and I tend to interrupt.

If you cannot "believe" the diagnostic criteria and those who made this disorder what it is; what's the point in believing in the condition itself?

Why even say you have Asperger's?

How is it insulting to you to point out "official" information on the disorder?

gbollard,

To meet the diagnostic criteria one will need "Qualitative impairment in social interaction" which will manifest to the world; it's the whole point of the disorder.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I think I can do that, just not very well.

I's not the criteria I'm talking about, it's the information I am talking about that is in books, on the internet.

I just don't like it when people pull the "You don't Have AS" crap on people when they are diagnosed. I see that as an insult. You don't need to meet everything in the criteria where it says two of the following, one of the following.


Besides, lot of doctors don't follow the criterias. I was diagnosed with Anorexia last year even though I didn't meet the last part in the criteria and that is lack of getting your period and I was still getting mine.

Do you think it matters what autism label someone has just as long as they are on the spectrum?

I haven't said anyone doesn't have the disorder or not, that was the OP. He didn't even argue why he thought the person in question doesn't have the disorder, other than saying someone says this (a), (b) doesn't have this, hence, (c) is correct.

His logic doesn't exist for he fails to explain why (a) and (b) equal (c).

Most of the information I post comes from the criteria, some other bits were by Lorna Wing (the person who brought AS to light), Gillberg's criteria, and a couple of other doctors who have clinical experience (non-anecdotal). I trust all of these people over single anecdotes.

If you've been diagnosed with an ASD, you know you're on the spectrum (the label only really matters in defining what set of symptoms you experience).

Okay my bad. I thought you were pulling the card.

Who's OP?

Danielismyname,

Sorry, didn't realize "Daniel" was you - you obviously know the subject well, so I won't split hairs with you.

The original poster; he used my name plus something I brought up in another thread to question the validity of alex's diagnosis, without offering any further information. Then people argued that my point was wrong, which it isn't [as it draws directly from official literature].

People should have argued with Mw99 and why he thought someone doesn't have AS, rather than trying to argue my point; the OP's point is wrong as the OP provided nothing for his claims other than an appeal to...the amateur fallacy (see: me), plus one big sweeping inductive fallacy.

If he had of brought up the interaction in question, whether it was recorded audio, or filmed video, and then gave his reasons for why so and so doesn't have AS, people could have then argued whether someone displayed this and that with the OP.

Mw99 was being sarcastic when he made the post. He was arguing your point so he used Alex as an example for sarcasm when he said he doesn't have AS because he can do two sided conversations.