Absurdity of Nationalism

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Me too, since:

-there's no such thing as a "white"
-the whole Caucasus thing...
-as far as we know we DID start in Africa. Maybe at some point we'll have some huge breakthrough that shows otherwise, but for the time being...

Ana, that is just a bunch of brainwashing nonsense the tree blazin' hippies want you to believe. And you believe it...

Aight, now we're back to square one.



Why?

Omar asked for examples or explanations but all you gave is the standard, always easy, always boring rhetorical one-liner. Let Omar just clarify his position a bit... so long's we got limited resources on this here earth and noticeable, major (not really, but magnified by our disparate cultural institutions that be) differences in ideological tracts that extend way back to the beginnings of civilizations and given the major power disparity between nations...war be here to stay.

You still haven't countered the claim of war being a major catalyst for change, and Omar still is interested in hear'n examples of events to the contrary.

K, this is why I hate arguments. When the "position" can't be argued, this is what a discussion usually boils down to. Kudos for nippin' that one good.

Interesting discussion in here tho, gotta check back in sometime...

the UN is helping, and those 2 major wars started in Europe-which is at peace now. There is political problems between the EU and Russia however.

The UN does help to moderate and help prevent wars and end them quicker.



no, it took literally longer to get from place to place (years to travel the world, well from Europe to South East Asia)



the rise of the European Union helped to limit European Wars. More accurately, people who lived through those wars made sure not to fight them.

Now they can settle it peacefully snd democratically as the electorates won't settle for that, the democratic peace theory and all



that cannot be denied; bolded things. War is a strong impetus for innovation and motivation, stay alive!



history does lend to that, though history also say that wars would still happen at high levels. So it depends actually.



I live in the US Midwest, but IIRC the rural areas in the US Southeast aren't that bad; the cities being good and tolerant (see Northern and Eastern Virginia). I've walked in a small town in Mississippi in the past and did okay, not getting lynched and being black. There are pockets full of racist rednecks in the south, I heard that said by people IRL. Though not rednecks are racist.

another site I browse tries to justify stereotyping the south as that. Hmm. IIRC there are higher rates of Hate Crimes against homosexuals in the South and I have heard from people on the internet who lived in small southern towns it's f*****g biased there.

some parts of Appalachia and the South have infant death rates and life quality of third world countries..IN THE US.

Last edited by Warsie on 20 Aug 2008, 2:33 am, edited 1 time in total.

simple. As human nations advance technologically and are more informed and remembering their past, they would realize that it's a bad idea to kill fellow humans for resources-which is what many wars are about. When they are informed about other cultures and beliefs, they are not as biased against them and can understand where people "come from" with this understanding, brought on by technology, the internet, global organizations, etc; with a better standard-of-like making people more unwilling to fight (well depends) war is harder to wage, especially with a democratic nation saying "f**k your war")



It is s major catalyst but so is peace; when people are not busy avoiding getting a cap popped in their ass they can work together in groups, with no wars between nations Scientists, Engineers, etc can travel across nations; or exchange information together than dividing against each other fighting for their nation/government. 4 GB is more then 2 GB as an anology.

I have been against nationalism since I was a kid. I remember my mothers embarrisment when aged 14 I refused to stand for the national anthems during an inter european swim club meet, I have not stood for any countries anthem since then. Gets me some pissed off looks

Someone who's studied a lot of history (and who's not remotely a hippie ) pointed out to me that contrary to what most modern people believe, in the very distant past, wars contained proportionally more posturing and less killing than they do now. Killing happened, but was sometimes even reduced to a duel between two people, or several duels, or something else like that. And even when there was more killing than that, it still did not approach modern ratios of killing to posturing. What she said reminded me of how cats handle conflict -- a conflict between two can be easily deadly, so they bluff and intimidate and puff up and posture and make terrifying noises, and even the violence is somewhat restrained. Because if wars happened the way they do in modern times, then everyone in both societies fighting, would be killed or badly wounded, and the societies would just not have survived to reproduce or care for their children.

Even pandd made my case in that the idea of WHEN things happened in Africa is LUDICROUS and clearly wrong. So how much more is wrong!?!? So you accept something simply because someone said it, EVEN if part of it is CLEARLY not true? WHY?

Yeah, it seems that there were more instances of violence and it was more accepted earlier. It was never blamed on race or pure culture. Yet there were rules and negotiations to limit scope. ALSO, of course, weapons weren't as good.

Name ONE European war the EU even LIMITED!?!? Frankly, it is a relatively loose alliance, and I don't think any of the members have been at war with one another for quite a long time.

NATO has done FAR more to limit war. Coincidently, at least some EU nations are in NATO.



Warsie is right there. Ignorance exists everywhere in the US, and ELSEWHERE also! People hear about slavery in the South, hear the accents, etc.... and figure they are ignorant. The fact is some are quite smart, and problems exist elsewhere. HECK, beverly hills, where a lot of the wealthy in the US used to go, is now known to have some STUPID people! Of course, some of them are smart also. And Boston, where one of the best universities is, isn't exactly 100% geniuses either.

And there are a number of ideas of what rednecks are. My understanding, and that of a number of people, is that it is basically about people working fields, etc... They USUALLY don't make that much, may have spent less time in school, etc... Jeff Foxworthy makes a lot of money poking fun at them, but makes it clear that not all are stupid, etc... HECK, he has a show NOW that pokes fun at OTHERS! "Are you smarter than a 5th grader?"! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Are_You_Smarter_Than_a

According to wikipedia, 2 people tried to answer the 1 million dollar question, and failed. I saw ONE person decline the 1 million dollar question, and she found it was one that SHE would have known, but I doubt many others would have. MOST people don't get NEAR the 1 million dollar question. I saw many NEVER answer a question! They used their cheats on the very first questions! But ALL supposedly did well in college. They try to put about the best against the best, but most questions are pretty simple. BTW VERY few of them would be considered red necks by any meaning of the term.

Yeah, it is sick. Look at IBM. They LAUGHED at the idea of creating a PC and, having had success, sell it off to a CHINESE company! Do they have ANY more products that are proprietary and good? I wondered what happened t QUASAR, and looked. A company started by AMERICAN MOTOROLA was sold to matsushita to help them continue racist ways and bypass customs and sell products in the US under their PANASONIC brand! That ONE SALE was credited with starting the wholesale sale of American technology to japan.

The US used to be one of the most self-sustaining, productive, etc... countries around, and NOW look at it! Basically, it is a "HAS BEEN"!

What/who's idea of when what things happened in Africa?

To be honest, I am not able to imagine any circumstance in which any plausible or actually known facts regarding anything that happened in Africa 5000 years ago, is in any way materially relevant to theories regarding the geographic origins of anatomically modern humans and/or the development/existence of human variation/s such as those we associate (real or imagined) with concepts such as race.

That's another bone I have to pick, Omar. The idea that "peace" has anything to do with hippies. Let me guess, Omar. Do you "blaze up"? You know, smoke weed?

THEN YOU MUST BE A HIPPY!! !
YOU MIGHT ALSO BE RASTAFARI.

Just because I think war is a destructive, wasteful, pointless endeavor does NOT make me a hippy. I am not a hippy and do not agree with a lot of what hippies stand for, but I agree with them about war. It is a waste of time and it causes nothing but problems for people.
NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS.

Now do some thinking, Omar.