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Loborojo
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27 Aug 2008, 12:33 pm

white man an in particular the anglo-American has hunted for pleasure. They nearly brought the bison to extinction, but that was also politically motivated, as the native Americans saw in the bison a holy creature that provided them with his skin, pelt, fat and what else.
Of wolves we know that it was never proven that they are actually dangerous predators. The occasional lamb that is killed by wolves doesn not justify the killing and the farmers nowadays get a reimbursement for each sheep killed, yet they still want to kill the recently introduced 4000 grey wolves back into the Yellowstone park.

Farmers in the Pyrenees in France and Spain are also against reintroducing wildlife like wolves, but it has been done anyways.

Civilised man is dangerous to wildlife. He is a mutant. Civilised man does not appreciate wild animals, everything he touches he domesticated including himself!


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27 Aug 2008, 12:44 pm

Xercies wrote:
Global warming isn't hapenning...the polar bears are doing fine..its just the humans killing them thats the problem...


I hope your trying to be sarcastic because it has been proven animals such as the polar bears are dying out because of global warming.


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27 Aug 2008, 12:51 pm

I'm not being sarcastic because i don't think Global Warming exists, its just something the government made up to get more money from the people. And its got everyone hook, line, and sinkered my personal opinion.


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27 Aug 2008, 1:35 pm

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The state of Alaska makes a great deal of money off of oil leases. They don't want to have further drilling curtailed due to concern over endangered bears being disturbed (the leaders of the state of Alaska, you might recall, are all for drilling in the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge, despite the effects that it would have on caribou), and they don't want to admit that global warming is a problem despite villages disappearing into the ocean in their own back yards because there's no longer sea ice to protect the shores from storms.

The state of Alaska, you might remember, also wants to allow the 'sport' of shooting wolves from airplanes as the wolves cross frozen lakes and are totally exposed, with nowhere to run or hide.


You obviously know nothing about ANWR. It wouldn't harm the caribou population in a noticable way. As a matter of fact, caribou populations have increased during past drilling operations.

Also, the ANWR drilling site/s wouldn't cover much surface area at all, as drilling technology is much more advanced. They can now drill in many directions from one spot, meaning they can take up much less space and get much more oil than they used to. So the ANWR site would be too small to really make much of a difference. That land is all tundra anyway, have you actually SEEN ANWR? There aren't Caribou every 2 feet. The land is so large the caribou would have no problem at all having an oil drilling operation with very little surface area in the same GIGANTIC area they live in.



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27 Aug 2008, 1:51 pm

The ANWR drilling sites would be on the coastal plain, which is where the caribou go to escape the clouds of mosquitoes inland. The coastal breezes keep the mosquitoes off. Each caribou can lose 8 ounces of blood a day due to millions of mosquito bites, without that refuge. Caribou are very skittish when they are calving, and the reason they go to that area of ANWR is specifically to calve. If you have any peer-reviewed data showing that calving caribou have no problem hanging out around oil derricks with huge trucks driving all over the place, I'd be very interested to see it.

@ Xercies, Wrt. global warming: 'so the government can get money out of us?' How do you figure that? If anything, driving a more fuel-efficient car and reducing my electricity usage *saves* me money.

anyway, whether or not you blame it on global climate change, the sea ice on which the polar bears depend is vanishing. It is already at the second lowest level on record, and it's only the middle of summer.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5io8- ... QD92QOTTO0



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27 Aug 2008, 3:34 pm

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My cousin's 12th birthday was a few days ago, and my sister slept over at his place the night before.

HE GOT A SHOTGUN.

He's 12 and his dad takes him hunting. I was shocked. I mean, I knew they were conservative and religious homophobes, but A SHOTGUN? FOR HIS 12TH BIRTHDAY?! I was shocked.

They don't even eat the birds they kill.


I got my first rifle for my 10th birthday. Of course that was only after I proved my safe handling skills with a Red Ryder first.



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27 Aug 2008, 4:09 pm

your av. is apparently appropriate. :)



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27 Aug 2008, 6:11 pm

People who kill for pleasure scare me. Of course, I'm not against hunting for people who truly need the food or fur from the animals, but enjoying taking down a beautiful creature like a deer seems barbaric to me. What is impressive about being able to hurt something helpless because you have a high powered rifle? It's pathetic - like picking on a child. I'm also very creeped out by taxidermy, and I can't stand when people mount animals heads on the walls - it's just disturbing. I feel the same way about people who enjoy things like war - it's one thing to join the military out of concern for your country and a desire to help the world; it's another to join because you enjoy killing people, even if many of the people deserve it.



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27 Aug 2008, 7:29 pm

It's funny how imaginative some are here. Hunting deer is NOTHING like killing children, homicide, sign of sociapathy, and does NOT indicate a hate of nature. It seems there are some ignorants here who prefer to imagine things untrue rather than taking close looks at these pastimes as something other than hateful. Meet a hunter or fisherman before casting judgement y'all.

BTW, I acknowledge the fact that there are problems in regards to overhunting/fishing and the fact that poachers are leeches. However, some comments here really bug me, and distract from some of the real problems, and are plain arrogant/ignorant.


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27 Aug 2008, 7:54 pm

piroflip wrote:
PunkyKat wrote:
Hunting for "sport" is wrong. Hunting and fishing are not real sports. Soccer, football, baseball, etc. are sports. Hunting and fishing are just glorfied forms of animal abuse. It's another way for people to feel good about themselves by hurting or killing someone weaker than them.


I fish all the time but do not kill them.
They are returned unharmed.
Fishing is a wonderful pastime.

Wrong wrong!
Scientist have discovered that fish do feel pain and yes they do feel the hook coming and coming out...so be a sports and don't practice fishing as a sport.


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27 Aug 2008, 7:56 pm

-JR, you've already proven how ignorant you are, so Shut Up!



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27 Aug 2008, 8:17 pm

:lol:
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Yes ma'am!
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27 Aug 2008, 8:22 pm

:lol: You're just too funny, funny Man!



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28 Aug 2008, 12:33 am

*snort*
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28 Aug 2008, 12:44 am

That would be expected coming from you...Step on my toes and I will be inclined to step on yours in return. Stalk me in posts, as some have done, and the same may also be returned. Go ahead and try, but I won't be anyone's victim.



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28 Aug 2008, 1:00 am

I used to be obsessed with fishing in high school; I've killed my fair share, and then some. It's hypocritical of myself to feel bad at this if I don't feel bad for the fish I eat from the grocery store.

I'm of the mindset, if you kill something, you eat it.

I like hunting animals, but I use my camera instead of my bow, as I don't need to kill them to survive; I go to the grocery store.