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09 Oct 2008, 8:43 am

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The one with the kitten's a dude!? He must be a juvie then. There's no way that even an Asian adult male on hormones could have wrists like that. That's what I look at first whenever I'm not sure. The wrists. But if they're a kid there is almost no way to tell.


actually, he's 27. :D
here's a gallery where you can see lots of pics of him.
http://j-rock.narod.ru/miyavi/photomiyavi.html

and here's a vid of him being his spaztastic self. :D
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz5N5euM2ic&feature=related[/youtube]

it's not uncommon for j-rockers to be androgynous.
for example: Gackt, Hyde, Mana-sama, bou, etc.


What language is that? Forgive me, but is this guy supposed to be in drag?



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09 Oct 2008, 9:54 am

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They're ball-jointed dolls. Here is a male:

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I was once told that most of the male dolls are actually female bodies with a different chest piece and (sometimes) different head.


HOLY CRAP! IT's ME! But in doll form! and kinda ginger!

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09 Oct 2008, 11:44 am

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What language is that? Forgive me, but is this guy supposed to be in drag?


Japanese, and he is wearing a skirt.. but he has shorts under them....i think i would call it semi-drag, since he's not trying to look like a girl. some of his photos he really is in drag, though.. but he usually doesn't dress in drag. it's just fanservice. now, Mana-sama, on the other hand....
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is the father of the gothic lolita clothing style.. :D he cross-dresses more often than not.. but no so much as in his Malice Mizer days.

cross-dressing is also not uncommon among visual kei bands.


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09 Oct 2008, 11:52 am

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27 huh? Wow. He's very...delicate looking. He kind of reminds me of one of those modern Japanese dolls that look realistic but sort of anime (I forget what they're called). You think you're looking at one that's supposed to be like a twelve year old girl but it's really supposed to be a man.

I'll see if I can find a picture of one.


They're ball-jointed dolls. Here is a male:

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I was once told that most of the male dolls are actually female bodies with a different chest piece and (sometimes) different head.


i love ball-jointed dolls!! <3<3<3 i wish i could afford one of my own... but they're so crazy expensive!!

i don't think that the male dolls have female bodies, because most BJDs are anatomically correct, if you know what i mean. :D


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10 Oct 2008, 2:31 am

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i don't think that the male dolls have female bodies, because most BJDs are anatomically correct, if you know what i mean. :D


Ah, I guess that's true. But I think it was more in the past, before they started adding those features. And maybe with smaller scales or something.


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10 Oct 2008, 10:04 am

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nicky wrote:
i don't think that the male dolls have female bodies, because most BJDs are anatomically correct, if you know what i mean. :D


Ah, I guess that's true. But I think it was more in the past, before they started adding those features. And maybe with smaller scales or something.


that's quite possible.


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10 Oct 2008, 11:08 am

Tilda Swinton... goodness, don't know how I forgot about her.


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10 Oct 2008, 4:45 pm

i'm not particularly sure whether i'm androgynous or just a bit of a fruit XD



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11 Oct 2008, 1:17 am

Pithlet wrote:
The one with the kitten's a dude!? He must be a juvie then. There's no way that even an Asian adult male on hormones could have wrists like that. That's what I look at first whenever I'm not sure. The wrists. But if they're a kid there is almost no way to tell.


google 'Bill Kaulitz'....

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i'm not particularly sure whether i'm androgynous or just a bit of a fruit XD


your avatar suggests you're a fruit....homo.


EDIT: also related pic given this thread

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anyone remember THIS :P


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12 Oct 2008, 10:42 am

are you a bit homophobic or something? i mean, i'm not actually gay but i'm picking up that vibe from you.



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12 Oct 2008, 11:04 am

I think Aspies seem a bit androgenous because NT's have the instinct to identify strongly with male and female stereotypes from a very early age and establish their identity through what they think others think of them.

We Aspies, while we do try to conform to social norms and adopt a gender identity, don't have as strong an instinct to do so. So we are left a bit closer to the default, in between, that all kids are born into, but NT's deviate from earlier and more severely.

So we might not see the need to stand like manly men or sit like proper ladies and all that jazz, because, well, it's just not that high on our list of priorities.

As for being more physically androgenous, I'm not sure. I think attitude does inform physicallity to some extent, but I know I was fairly waif like and sylvan as a child. Not now though, although my eyes can seem a little too sensitive and emotional for a guy's face. But chicks dig that, right? :D


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12 Oct 2008, 11:44 am

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We Aspies, while we do try to conform to social norms and adopt a gender identity, don't have as strong an instinct to do so. So we are left a bit closer to the default, in between, that all kids are born into, but NT's deviate from earlier and more severely.

So we might not see the need to stand like manly men or sit like proper ladies and all that jazz, because, well, it's just not that high on our list of priorities.


Interesting observation(s). These days I don't feel the need to act ladylike, maybe because I'm 41 and it wouldn't matter if I did or didn't. When I was a lot younger, though, I was a tomboy-type and even though I had long hair, I had a very muscular body structure for a girl and I worried that I looked/acted more male than female. My upper body strength was abnormally high for a girl, as well. I could lift 20-30% more weight in the gym than other girls my age, and my legs (though short) were powerful. I was self-conscious of this and overcompensated by trying to wear overly frilly (or overly slu*ty) clothing that actually looked terrible on me. I wore high heels all the time to make my legs look longer and slimmer, and since I've always been a total klutz, I usually stumbled and fell at least once whenever I put them on.

Growing up in California, it was not unusual to see an occasional transgender or TV person, usually male, who looked a heck of a lot more 'feminine' than I did. Some of them were stunningly beautiful. At the time, I resented them for their beauty on some level, thinking that it was really depressing that a man could be 'prettier than me.' It made me feel like a total failure at being a woman. As I got older, though, these things became less and less important to me, and my body structure eventually took on a more feminine appearance, especially after my children were born. My voice has always been deep/husky for a female and that never changed. The hormone problems I've had all my life were responsible for a lot of this, I believe. I'm glad to see that people are now more accepting of these differences these days rather than persecuting others for it. If a male is beautiful, all power to him, I say.


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13 Oct 2008, 2:10 pm

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google 'Bill Kaulitz'....



also, Kiro and Shin from Cinema Bizarre


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13 Oct 2008, 2:20 pm

I am a man- and have never had any doubts about what gender I am attributed to.
Now, as a gay man I can certainly identify with the qualities attributed to being feminine (no, I'm not the "woman" in bed" :wink: ).

I'm just a regular dude.



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13 Oct 2008, 2:37 pm

Never gone for the androgony thing. When I was a lad I got thrashed simply because I was small and skinny. If I had ever dressed the least bit out of the ordinary I'm quite sure my nose would have been re-arranged.

As for my preference in ladies, I find pretty girly-girls attractive, as well as women who don't dress feminine.


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30 Nov 2009, 11:39 pm

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When I had long hair as a child a lot of people mistook me for a female, saying "ma'am" instead of "sir" even right to my face. One kid even insisted that I was delusional: "This girl thinks she's a boy!"


I hope you didn't pull your willy out to prove to him/her! :lol: