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03 Oct 2008, 7:30 pm

My dad was shunned by his father for having brown eyes, my grandfather was a prick who needed his
ass kicked. He was half Danish and German, and felt blond hair and blue eyed people were the best,
its strange he married my grandmother, who had dark hair, because all of their children had dark hair
and brown eyes.



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03 Oct 2008, 7:33 pm

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It's interesting how so many aspies have their eyes change colors. My niece had blue eyes up until she was 3 and then they turned hazel.
My eyes used to be medium blue and now they are crystal blue.

I think some of us may be products of Hitler's eugenics program.


Not I! Apparently, my relatives came here BEFORE hitler took power!



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03 Oct 2008, 7:36 pm

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All the research was destroyed? Why would that happen. I mean if the Nazis were defeated, then why aren't the experiments openly revealed.
Wasn't anyone curious as to what they were researching? Last I heard, the few Jews to survive the experiments were given $5,000 well after the fact and basically ignored. Why? It seem like a waste to discard such research. Weren't they the founders of neuroscience? They were the first to perform brain surgery as far as I know.

Anyway, it's interesting to hear about all the changing eye colors. Sounds like it's eye color runs a little more haywire with people on the spectrum.
I still wonder what they Nazis were selecting for with eye color and hair color. It's hard to believe they just wanted to breed for looks. I think they were experimenting with Aspergers, trying to refine it or something.

But then again, maybe I'm just trying to understand crazy and finding it incomprehensible. :lol:

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From what I have heard, MOST of it was GARBAGE, and other stuff has been abandoned or is now worthless for a reason.



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03 Oct 2008, 7:53 pm

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The Nazis hated the Jews because they were intelligent problem solvers who were a threat to them. My guess is that they wanted a more docile species.
Passive people who conform easily and follow rules without question are easy to manipulate and control. The Jews tend to take over markets because they can figure things out, see the big picture, and they also tend to be more radical in their politics. It's a fact that they tend to be more liberal in their views. Some say they are clever like in an evil sense, but I find those traits admirable.

I know this all sounds politically incorrect but I just wonder why they wanted blonde hair and blue eyes. And now I see autism as this genetic epidemic and I wonder if they had something to do with it. People on the spectrum do seem to be more robotic and conscience lacking.
I notice lots of AS people who seem to not only lack emotion, but they see it as inferior, as if they are above such human tendencies.


Rather than making STUPID guesses, why don't you look at all the FACTS! The NAZIs were NOT secretive about it! They hated them because:

1. They were FOREIGNERS!(NAZI, get it?)
2. They, as a group had a lot of money.
3. They seemed to be involved with all the money.
4. They(the jews) weren't that secretive about nepotism and favoritism.

GEE, the name National Socialist, Workers Party(DIRECT translation of NAZI as a political word), krystal nacht, much of their propaganda, and many things said about them TODAY make that clear!

And RADICAL? WHERE do you get THAT! They want OTHERS to pay for the poor and let foreigners in, etc... A lot of whites and OTHERS feel the same way, and the NAZIs just didn't like the things they saw as wrong, or foreigners, and wanted a SOCIALIST government. Interestingly, the Jews ALSO want socialism! ONE MORE THING! The Jews in Israel ARE pretty nationalistic! And THEY aren't too crazy about non jewish foreigners either. If not for the ultraorthodoxed, which interestingly seem more conservative, some bad things would have happened earlier.

And the Jews weren't a threat to the NAZIs. The NAZIs simply wanted to be homogenous and SOCIALIST, and the jews were NEITHER, even if they DO speak of socialism, etc...

Anyway, I just can't believe it when someone throws out the facts and just makes guesses.

BTW the germans weren't docile, etc.... Some saw the Jews as an ENEMY! Others were misled. Others feared for the lives, as even many JEWS have! Others CHALLENGED the system EVEN though everyone else outnumbered them and they couldn't tell WHO was their enemy! EVEN people's KIDS turned them in!



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03 Oct 2008, 7:54 pm

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I can't believe there's people out there that still have notions about Jews being a certain way or any people for that matter based in the name of "science."

I find it very believable, but also very unfortunate.

At least she thinks the Jews are different in a good way. :roll:


That's not at all what I was trying to say and it's still called generalizing. Besides that, my quotes are coming off misleading from the others I made as I already stated, to one post above I responded which was, "I wouldn't take this thread serious." :roll:


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03 Oct 2008, 7:55 pm

I have blue eyes



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03 Oct 2008, 8:17 pm

Actually, no, I have the brownest eyes you've ever seen...


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03 Oct 2008, 8:23 pm

Where'd they get the word Nazi from? Aschkenazi?



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03 Oct 2008, 9:09 pm

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Where'd they get the word Nazi from? Aschkenazi?

No, it's just a short-hand form of NSDAP - Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. Pronunciation of "National" is German basically sounds like "Nazi-yon-aal."

It should be noted that the "socialist" tag isn't completely accurate. After World War I, and the signing of the Treaty of Versailles, many Germans were disillusioned and angry with the Weimar government for what they perceived as the emasculation of their country. Shortly after the signing of the treaty, the original DAP was established, with the idea being that they could appeal to a broad demographic of blue collar and low class workers, both of whom wanted to see Germany's economy and former autonomy restored. They weren't particularly successful.

Once Hitler gained control of the party and it was renamed to the NSDAP, Marxism had loose influence on the National Socialist doctrine, but that influence was arguably only applicable to the Nazi's intensive state regulation. Considering how far that regulation eventually went, you're really just talking about Totalitarianism, and the egalitarian sentiments inherent to "real" Socialism were applicable only to those who fit the Aryan ideal and never stepped out of line. Any visible presentation of Socialism on their part was marketing designed to maintain a grip on the blue collar demographic, many of whom advocated a workers revolution against the Weimar Republic.



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03 Oct 2008, 9:20 pm

Pobodys_Nerfect wrote:
Where'd they get the word Nazi from? Aschkenazi?


NAtional soZIalismus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalsozialismus


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Nazism, which was a short name for National Socialism[1][2][3][4] (German: Nationalsozialismus), refers primarily to the ideology and practices of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party under Adolf Hitler; and the policies adopted by the government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, a period also known as the Third Reich.[5][6][7][8] The official name of the party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei[9] (NSDAP) — “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”. The Nazis were one of several historical groups that used the term National Socialism to describe themselves, and in the 1920s they became the largest such group. Nazism is generally considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both political wings, it formed most of its alliances on the political right.[10]. Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, welfare state ideology[11] (though only for "fit" Germans),[12] racism, collectivism,[13][14] eugenics, antisemitism, opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism,[15][16][14] anti-communism, and totalitarianism.[citation needed]

Nazism was not a monolithic movement, but rather a (mainly German) combination of various ideologies and groups, sparked by anger at the Treaty of Versailles and what was considered to have been a Jewish/Communist conspiracy (known in the vernacular as the Dolchstoßlegende or “Stab-in-the-Back Legend”) to humiliate Germany at the end of the First World War. The "National Socialist Program" of 1920 was the formulation of the Austrian German Workers Party's policies, which was, in turn, copied by the Nazi party. The Nazi party came to power in the aftermath of Great Depression in 1933, which they blamed on capitalists and promised a "Third Position" between capitalism and communism, anti-capitalism[17], and totalitarianism.[citation needed]


It's interesting that the german version, on the german site, has propaganda and just isn't true!! The ENGLISH site, and even the german text, looks totally correct though. Go figure! BTW The OTHER version obviously has holes, and explains NOTHING about most of the WWII events. THIS one explains it all right here.



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03 Oct 2008, 9:33 pm

This thread is making me want to tear my hair out, but I can't stand to let some of this nonsense go without correction:

2ukenkerl wrote:
Rather than making STUPID guesses, why don't you look at all the FACTS! The NAZIs were NOT secretive about it! They hated them because:

1. They were FOREIGNERS!(NAZI, get it?)
2. They, as a group had a lot of money.


First off, many German Jews had lived there for quite some time. Second, most Eastern European Jews--the majority of the Nazi's victims--were dirt poor. Guess what--"Jews" aren't a monolithic category. How shocking.

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3. They seemed to be involved with all the money.


Key word: seemed. And even if there is some degree of validity to that, there's even a historical reason for that, which is that medieval Christians thought "usury" to be a sin.

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4. They(the jews) weren't that secretive about nepotism and favoritism.


Oh, I call BS on that. Source, please? "Everybody knows it" doesn't count. This statement also doesn't seem to acknowledge the historical workings of anti-Semitism. Not to mention the fact that Jews hardly constituted the majority of those in political power at the time.

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And RADICAL? WHERE do you get THAT! They want OTHERS to pay for the poor and let foreigners in, etc... A lot of whites and OTHERS feel the same way, and the NAZIs just didn't like the things they saw as wrong, or foreigners, and wanted a SOCIALIST government. Interestingly, the Jews ALSO want socialism! ONE MORE THING! The Jews in Israel ARE pretty nationalistic! And THEY aren't too crazy about non jewish foreigners either. If not for the ultraorthodoxed, which interestingly seem more conservative, some bad things would have happened earlier.


I'm here to say that one of "THEM" doesn't want to be pigeonholed by a very ignorant person. Seriously, the generalizations have got to stop. Am I one of the only Jewish people to post on this thread? In any case, I'd like to say that the constant stereotyping of Jews, even if not ill-intentioned, is grinding my nerves, and this isn't the first such thread on WP to make such leaps. Is there a moderator watching this thread?

Oh, and though some of us are more to the political left than you are, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't characterize us wanting "others" to pay for the poor and "let foreigners in." My family pays our taxes and donates to charity, thanks.

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Anyway, I just can't believe it when someone throws out the facts and just makes guesses.


Yeah, I just hate it when people do that. :roll:



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03 Oct 2008, 10:00 pm

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This thread is making me want to tear my hair out, but I can't stand to let some of this nonsense go without correction:


Did I say anything incorrect? I take correction very well. I like the truth.


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03 Oct 2008, 10:05 pm

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I'm here to say that one of "THEM" doesn't want to be pigeonholed by a very ignorant person. Seriously, the generalizations have got to stop. Am I one of the only Jewish people to post on this thread? In any case, I'd like to say that the constant stereotyping of Jews, even if not ill-intentioned, is grinding my nerves, and this isn't the first such thread on WP to make such leaps. Is there a moderator watching this thread?

As a person of Jewish descent, I do find this thread and the rampant stereotyping contained within rather alarming.



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03 Oct 2008, 10:08 pm

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Did I say anything incorrect? I take correction very well. I like the truth.

I just looked over all your posts on this thread and I don't see anything wrong or objectionable in any of them.



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03 Oct 2008, 10:08 pm

I'm part Jewish myself but the generalizing doesn't really bother me. I guess probably because I only recently discovered this about myself. But there is too much negative generalizing, not just toward Jews either.


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03 Oct 2008, 10:10 pm

srriv345 wrote:
This thread is making me want to tear my hair out, but I can't stand to let some of this nonsense go without correction:

2ukenkerl wrote:
Rather than making STUPID guesses, why don't you look at all the FACTS! The NAZIs were NOT secretive about it! They hated them because:

1. They were FOREIGNERS!(NAZI, get it?)
2. They, as a group had a lot of money.


First off, many German Jews had lived there for quite some time. Second, most Eastern European Jews--the majority of the Nazi's victims--were dirt poor. Guess what--"Jews" aren't a monolithic category. How shocking.


Still, they were from outside. Hitler DID really push the whole thing, and go outside of the country. The NAZIs battle cry was "germany for germans". By that, they should have stayed THERE. MAYBE they would have if others didn't try to stop them. We may never know. But Hitler WAS crazy, and MAD(in all meanings of the word).

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3. They seemed to be involved with all the money.


Key word: seemed. And even if there is some degree of validity to that, there's even a historical reason for that, which is that medieval Christians thought "usury" to be a sin.


That explains only why Christians at least originally as a group tried to stay away from that. There USED to be a law in the US declaring certain rates usary, but even THOSE seem to be gone. That may be part of the economy's problem now. 99.25%/year? COME ON!

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4. They(the jews) weren't that secretive about nepotism and favoritism.


Oh, I call BS on that. Source, please? "Everybody knows it" doesn't count. This statement also doesn't seem to acknowledge the historical workings of anti-Semitism. Not to mention the fact that Jews hardly constituted the majority of those in political power at the time.


Do I really have to? There are too many examples, but I agree that this is going on too long. Interesting that you didn't say anything against the earlier craziness.

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And RADICAL? WHERE do you get THAT! They want OTHERS to pay for the poor and let foreigners in, etc... A lot of whites and OTHERS feel the same way, and the NAZIs just didn't like the things they saw as wrong, or foreigners, and wanted a SOCIALIST government. Interestingly, the Jews ALSO want socialism! ONE MORE THING! The Jews in Israel ARE pretty nationalistic! And THEY aren't too crazy about non jewish foreigners either. If not for the ultraorthodoxed, which interestingly seem more conservative, some bad things would have happened earlier.


I'm here to say that one of "THEM" doesn't want to be pigeonholed by a very ignorant person. Seriously, the generalizations have got to stop. Am I one of the only Jewish people to post on this thread? In any case, I'd like to say that the constant stereotyping of Jews, even if not ill-intentioned, is grinding my nerves, and this isn't the first such thread on WP to make such leaps. Is there a moderator watching this thread?


And what of the talk of the german government wanting everyone to be DOCILE and strongly implying no jews were and only jews weren't? NEITHER was true! There are stories of Jews running scared, betraying others, and lying. There are also stories of Germans trying to save Jews, and kill NAZIs.

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[Oh, and though some of us are more to the political left than you are, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't characterize us wanting "others" to pay for the poor and "let foreigners in." My family pays our taxes and donates to charity, thanks.


Yeah, I mispoke. Although I DID talk about ultraorthodoxed being more conservative. Even some REFORM jews(the other end of the spectrum(no pun intended)) are conservative. And, of course, some liberals ARE serious, in that they want THEMSELVES to help, etc... Sorry about that. I didn't like the OTHER generalizations ANY more than you like the Jewish ones.