Taboo thread #1: A possible theory about the nature of AS.

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Now, that's plain wrong.

I work at a place at which I'm interacting with hundreds of people every day and it's totally the correct job for me. Most non-autistic people so far said they wouldn't like doing that job, because there'd be too many people, too many personal stories, too many people trying to get one's attention.

I need to interact with people and I like it, too. That doesn't make me one bit less autistic.

I'm by all means not the only one like that. Where I live, so many kids and youths - with AS or classical - at one realise 'hey, I want to have a friend!' or 'I want to talk to the peers, hang around with them.'

Whatever comes after this period of realisation that A) there is a type of socialising others knew all along about and B) wanting to participate in society is, indeed, a whole different thing. Sure it'll upset people and make them draw conclusions when they experience rejection throughout several years.
Autistic people are not different from non-autistic people in their reaction to this contiguous rejection - usually, they'll be withdrawing from further attempts on socialising.

A 'severely autistic' kid, as some people put it, that somehow shows affection, love to its parents even in some unusual way is already socialising too, trying to interact.

To say autistic people lack the desire to socialise is another random argument people try to use to undiagnose those autistic people that don't fit their idea of autism. That's all there is to say.

So let me get this straight (so to speak):
Introvert = Less than human.



Black Bears
Grizzly Bears
Cougars
Tigers
Eagles
Hermit Crabs
Rattle Snakes
Mountain Lions
Examples of animals that- in fact- do not form social groups or "societies".
I could go on and on and on...

Jwred- you're an idiot.

It had to be said.

Yeah, totally OFT.
If tigers are forced to life with each other (as for example in a Zoo) there's a high risk of them attacking and injuring each other. And once this happened, the tigers in question cannot be put together without constant supervision.

I believe that would be: Introvert < Human

I don't have a problem with this sentiment as long as we push it to its full meaning. According to wikipedia:



So if this is an acceptable summary of some human traits, this would follow:
People without a marked appreciation for beauty and aesthetics < Human
People without the desire for self-expression < Human
People without the desire to understand and influence the world around them < Human
People without the desire to explain and manipulate natural phenomena through philosophy, art, science, mythology and religion < Human
People without natural curiosity < Human
People who do not build fires, cook their food, clothe themselves < Human
People who do not pass down their skills and knowledge to the next generations through education < Human

Play the game long enough and you get:
All people < Human

Hmmm like if I am a new member here and never read such studies, check my stats and my join's date.

-There's no single study that have detected genetic marker that cause AS or Autism
-The fMRI is something very new and thus the brain's activities are not fully understood yet
- Many such studies were already made on ADHD and many were biased because many ADHD subjects were on stimulants.
-Now the big question is ....psychiatrics are only focusing their fMRI studies on AS , they saw some wiring difference and that's it? So what? They concluded that these people are different just by that without strong genetic proof?
How can we know that the other types of people aren't wired differently too? what about the shy people? what about the easygoing people ? what about the bullies? what about the rude people ? what about the smooth speakers? what about the mathematicians? what about the musicians? ....etc Did they ever make studies on such samples of people? Are they really sure that all "NTs" are "wired" the same? Nope, they only made studies on Aspie subjects vs NTs of all kinds.

Take shyness for instance , shyness was just a personality type which was common and accepted before . Now they are starting to do operations to prevent blushing,what's next? ....soon they'll invent something like DSM V : Shyness Syndrome or <lastname of some idiot psychiatrist> 's Syndrome to make it sounds more scientific.

I do not think name-calling is necessary.

Anyway, the inferences being drawn are not implied by the quoted comments; they (the inferences) seem more the responsibility of the person making the inferences than the person who did not imply them.

This discussion is so interesting and informative!
We must realize that the diagnosis and theories of causes and cures concerning autism spectrum is not perfect.
I have a special uncommon focus on these states...

For me the normal procedure is urine analysis.
When these urine samples show great amounts of peptides compared with "normals" we have a peptide intolerance case. This is very common in autism spectrum!

The peptides can then be analyzed further on cromatographic coloumns. Different subtypes emerge. ADHD is different from autistic is different from schizophrenic etc.

The most common peptides in autism is of opioid character, and gives great addiction.

Christopher Gillberg (the swedish "expert" on autism and related syndroms) recognizes the peptides but seems to think they are of endogenic nature. That is, the body/brain makes these peptides. Endorphines would then be an appropiate term.

Dr. Karl Ludvig Reichelt (the norwegian expert on peptides) is convinced the peptides come from an outer source, that is foodstuffs.
Exorphines is then the term proper.
He strongly suspects the peptides come from badly digested milk protein (casein) and wheat/rye/barley protein (gluten).
The bad digestion is caused by an enzyme deficiency. What causes the deficiency is not terribly known.

Genetic? Dare I mention the heavy metal connection?

"Leaky gut syndrome" can make these peptides sneak into your bloodstream and make confusion in the signal system of your body and brain. Morphine receptors and serotonine balance semms to be affected by the peptides.

Lots of sugar makes the intestinal mucosa more permeable. (I myself tolerate these proteins better when I dont eat sugar at all!)

Also candida can make the gut permeable. Some autists "clear up" with nystatin, an anti-fungal remedy.


The peptides have been analyzed by amino acid sequencing, and is of two families:
1. The caseomorphins
2. The glutenoids and gliadins

The caseomorphines have been shown to be of bovine (cow) subtype, not human.

An eliminating diet with no gluten and no casein very often "cures" autism almost completely.

Of course this holds only when the "autist" have these very peptides in her urine!! (This holds for about 70-80 percent of diagnosed autists. A lot!)

I agree with Dr. Reichelt and respect his work as nobel prize material!

I sincerely hopes for some serious responses to these opinions! I know some of you have experience with the CF/GF diet.

I try to write a thesis on this, and need more real-life stories. Please? Pretty please with sugar on?

^^

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7300327.stm

Monday, 17 March 2008

Yes, its true. Not all research groups find these peptides.
The peptides are present in such small amounts (typical amount in a urine sample is 100 nanomols) that they can very well stay undetected by most methods of analysis.
Still, several researchers have now admitted they have found the peptides after trying better methods.

The peptides are there!
But the amounts found are so small you cannot imagine they should have any effect!

This was by the way one of the reasons Reichelt was ridiculed by many researchers. They could not believe anything could work in these small amounts.

I tested some ADHD-peptides in my time, and the concentration range where the activity was greatest was ... 0,0000000000000001-0,000000000001mol/liter. This is in the same range as LSD was found active ... pure coincidence? Hoffman also seriously doubted anything could be active in these concentrations.

A paradox (?) is that the effect disappears when the concentrations get too high.