can i claim disability with aspergers?

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09 Dec 2008, 2:08 am

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Having Aspergers Syndrome usually doesn't count as a disability.


Incorrect.

In the US, UK and Oz, it's seen as a valid disability by social services (the same as all forms of Autism). Of course, you must prove that you're incapable of working to receive said social services; this is the same with any disease/disorder.


Don't know how it is internationally, but I have helped others to obtain disability support in Australia.

Here, the name of the disability is irrelevant. A test is applied as to what you actually can and cannot do for yourself, and eligibility is determined on the basis of that.


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09 Dec 2008, 9:04 am

lol i wasnt expecting this thread to become so big



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09 Dec 2008, 10:50 am

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How much do you get for disability?



It varies in each state and I think it also depends what you are on it for. On Oregon, you get $623 from SSI. I assume it's for AS because I knew another aspie in my area and he got that same amount too, that's how much I'd get too if I didn't work.


In Montana, it was 500 something.
It's close to $600 here. For comparison, average rent on a one-bedroom apartment around here is $800. That's rent-only, not utilities or food.


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09 Dec 2008, 12:04 pm

It's $450 or so a fortnight here in Oz. Which is below the poverty line.

I can't see why anyone would actually want to be on such, unless their alternatives were homelessness or living in an institute. Not to mention that you're also disabled....



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09 Dec 2008, 12:29 pm

There's ONE main thing with me getting disability $2000 a month medical supplies!! ! Plus I don't think I could work 6-8 hours. :-)



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09 Dec 2008, 12:36 pm

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It's $450 or so a fortnight here in Oz. Which is below the poverty line.

I can't see why anyone would actually want to be on such, unless their alternatives were homelessness or living in an institute. Not to mention that you're also disabled....
Right, exactly; that's what it is--an alternative to homelessness. But like I've said, there are usually ways out, even though you have to look hard to find them. If you are too disabled to work, period, then there's always living with family and volunteering and other stuff that's productive even if it isn't work--I know a lot of people who can't work end up spending time doing disability advocacy!

I know I say a lot that it's horrible to be on disability payments and don't do it unless you have to, but really, even when you have next to no money, you can still be happy... though I'll also admit that part of my happiness comes from the idea that one day I'll be able to hold a job properly, because what I want to do does involve working, and because I don't want my mom in an institution when she's older, and in twenty years or so that'll be an issue, so I need to be financially secure enough by then to get her an aide or whatever...


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09 Dec 2008, 6:43 pm

Callista wrote:
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How much do you get for disability?


It varies in each state and I think it also depends what you are on it for. On Oregon, you get $623 from SSI. I assume it's for AS because I knew another aspie in my area and he got that same amount too, that's how much I'd get too if I didn't work.

In Montana, it was 500 something.
It's close to $600 here. For comparison, average rent on a one-bedroom apartment around here is $800. That's rent-only, not utilities or food.


Actually, if the average one bedroom costs $800, and you make $600, that gives you almost $440 for other things, and taxes! Yeah, I know, STUPID, HUH! I must be HORIBLE in math. OK, let's check it out....

$800
-$640.(section 8)
------
$160 for rent

$600-160=$440

NOPE, it checks out. MEANWHILE, the apartments required to provide such low rates raise OTHER rates to make up for it. I guess we'll never know what the REAL rates would have been. BTW

$600/month=Approx $138/week

Your break even point for work, is $3.45/hour Outside of kansas, minnesota is by FAR the lowest with a 5.25 minimum wage. That is $210/week or $910/month. The highest state is washington, at $8.55. $3.42/week or $1482/month.



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09 Dec 2008, 7:18 pm

Wait, what? $800 PER MONTH rent, $600 PER MONTH disability check... you can't even rent an "average 1-bedroom apartment". You're assuming an awful lot to say I automatically get free federal housing.

Section 8 has a closed waiting list around here. You can't get on it. The people they put first when the list opens up again are people with small children; and those people always get the first units; and then the list closes again, and more people with small children pile up. Disabled people are mid-way down the list; realistically there won't be enough housing opening up. I've been on the list for two and a half years; last spring they called me and said they were booting me off and the program wouldn't be open again for a long while. The only thing you can get for free around here is a bed in a homeless shelter, and that's only if you're very lucky, because pregnant women and children get in first. Men have the hardest time getting a bed, and non-elderly women the second hardest. You might get in more easily in the summer, when most homeless people would rather sleep outdoors.

Anyway, if you get section 8 housing, your disability check goes way down. It doesn't stay at $600. $100 is probably a good estimate there, and that's enough for utilities and basic extras like soap and Goodwill clothes.

I pay my own rent out of my disability check. It is not an 'average 1-bedroom apartment' but a studio apartment that is in bad repair, badly insulated, and in a building about 70 years old. That is how I can afford it. It used to have cockroaches, but the dirty neighbors moved away, so now it doesn't. It still has a bit of floor that you can't step on because it will give way if you do, and linoleum with tears in it, and such other small problems. The landlord finally fixed the hole in my ceiling, though.


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09 Dec 2008, 7:56 pm

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"Work" is so good?

Really?

Why do we all generally hate it then? If you didn't HAVE to work, would you? If you won the lottery, would you still report in to McDs to flip burgers? Hate to be on the clock? The history of proto-industrialization is rife with this. Took a couple centuries before Europeans could be beaten into wage-earners, to actually show up for "work." If you don't know about this, you're uninformed. I'd elaborate more, but then I'm not getting paid anymore to do that. Puritan misconceptions abound.

You don't have to travel very far, really, to see other cultures where the work ethic is very, VERY different. Ours is the only one worthwhile? Only if you're greedy, lacking insight, and are easily fooled by the myriad illusions that constitute American life. Very few question the assumptions. It's always amazing to me. If you've been exposed to other cultures, traveled extensively, or made it a point to learn about how people in other parts of the world see their daily lives and what makes them worthwhile, you'd drop these unquestioned assumptions about work=worth. Work=something you must do if you don't want to be punished (by having to live under a bridge. Or be sent to prison.) In many places, the community finds a place for every individual to function effectively, thus enhancing the viability of the community as a whole. Not so with us. Here in the good ole usa, we toss you into the gutter if you're not sufficiently cowed by the threats that are held over your head every single day of your entire life. Ever take a look at the mental health figures lately? Say, over the last 40 years? You might be surprised. It's driving us all crazy, literally. But it's allright. You'll be ok . . .

If you win the lottery. :wink:

In most places and for most things in the industrialized world, machines could do a lot of what people do, but then we wouldn't have the cash to spend on "necessities" would we? Necessities like new cars, new clothes, new toys (so many varieties . . .), conspicuous consumption (to impress who?), status and prestige purchasing. I'm constantly astounded by how few people question these basic assumptions. Ever heard of planned obsolescence? I can't see how it's any different than fraud, myself, but then, that's just me, apparently.

The conditioning is SO effective, that the very people who are exploited the most, who are suffering the most from this insanity . . . actually defend it. But then, that's the nature of conditioning; the subject never realizes they've had their behavior modified . . . if it's done well.

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It depends what you mean by "work"?

Whether you mean paid employment or other contributions to society.

Some of my neighbours (and they're not Aspies, just a bit 'alternative') don't necessarily have full time jobs, and they claim benefits because they're not in full time paid employment - but arguably they do make other contributions to society, they're involved in anti-war protests, eco-activism and so on. Some of my 'unemployed' friends work much, much more harder than people I know who are wage slaves.

If I won the lottery, of course I wouldn't clock in to flip burgers at McDonalds. But I wouldn't necessarily jack in my current job straight away, as I think the company I work for does good. But if I won a huuuuuuuge amount at the lottery, I might give up my job, but I would still work. I would be a full-time philanthropist and altruist. And I would choose what projects I wanted to work on and promote.

No matter how much money was at my disposal, I don't think I could just opt out of the rat race permanently and lead the life of one of those bimbo society heiresses. I just couldn't.



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09 Dec 2008, 7:58 pm

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...I will get off disability because suddenly my business is succeeding after 10 years of failure. I mean the business was making around at most $100 a YEAR. Just in the last few months, we have made several thousand in our business. And after the first of the year is when the big sales will come because major zoos and casinos are ordering my art cards. Vendors are also interested in selling my stuff around the country. Already we had one over the weekend saying it was her best show ever because she sold my stuff and this was in Georgia. I live in Washington State, so I have no clue how she found out about us since we haven't really advertised.
I don't know whether you have a similar organisation, but in the UK there is something called the Arts Council of England, which has regional offices.

They work to fund and promote arts organisations in the various regions around the UK.

Perhaps there is a similar organisation in the US? In the UK you can apply for support in terms of grants to fund art productions and projects and also get advice and assistance



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09 Dec 2008, 8:18 pm

Hey! Some of my best friends are bimbo society heiresses.

J/K

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10 Dec 2008, 12:58 am

Callista,

Yeah, but I was just letting those that think living on a disability pension is a free out of the "rat race"; it's not.



10 Dec 2008, 1:13 am

Some people think people are lucky to live on disability and not have a job but they are not lucky. They don't realize what it's like being on it and they probably don't know you don't get much from the gov. and you can't afford to do much and you might not be able to afford a very nice place to rent.



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10 Dec 2008, 1:19 am

I'm on CentreLink benefits, which is basically getting paid for looking for work. Then I went on disability for depression/anxiety and I only got $5 extra but I didn't have to look for work. At first I liked the freedom but I got bored and eventually even more depressed for thinking that I was unfit for work.



10 Dec 2008, 1:39 am

I get bored when I have too much time on my hands. I need something to keep me occupied and that is work. As a child, it was school.



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10 Dec 2008, 1:20 pm

I don't think you folks in other countries are helping this young man. It doesn't matter that you got on disability for Aspergers in Canada or the UK, this fellow lives in the US. Getting on disability in the US is a lot harder as we have a worse social support system than UK or Canada. In the US, Aspergers alone will not get you on disability, only Kanners autism or Rhetts Syndrome will. People with Aspergers in the US that get disability got on SSDI or SSI because either they also have physical/medical disability OR they have a comorbid mental condition such as severe bi-polar disorder, severe depression or PTSD.

If you have been turned down twice by SSI then it means you have a doctor who is not supporting your case and is telling them that you are capable of work. Part of the questions they ask doctors is "can this person sit up for X number of hours, can this person walk, lift, carry, type at a desk, etc. If the dr answers yes to that you are screwed. If you have been turned down twice the next step is to get a lawyer to represent your disability case. They will go to the hearing for you normally and you have to do nothing other than when they win they get 25% of your backpay earnings or up to $5,300 whichever is less.

However there are some options out there for you. If getting the job is the main obstacle, that is the interviewing part, then you need to sign up at a temporary work agency. They find you the work and all you have to do is show up at the job on time, behave yourself and do your job. Sometimes those temp jobs lead to permanent employment if the employer likes your work. Ask for "temp to hire" positions from the temp agency. You do have to interview at the temp agency but its such an easy, no pressure kind of interview compared to real job interviews where they grill you like they thought you were a criminal.

Also you should go to your local Dept. of Economics Vocational Rehabilitation office. Take your parent with you if you have trouble talking. They will assist people in finding employment who have diagnosed disabilities and they do not exclude Aspergers, unlike many other agencies in the US. They have been known to get Occupational Therapists for Aspies who can help you learn how to talk to people so that you can get through that job interview and land the job scrubbing toilets, hauling scrap metal or anything else. This could be your ticket to getting into the world where you can get a job and have some independence and control just how much money you can make in a month. On a side note Voc Rehab can also help you secure employment even if you get on disability as you can make somewhere between $700-950 a month extra and not have to report it. That is what those people are there for. Go to them and ask for help.