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05 Jan 2009, 5:52 pm

Well, the basics of Dianetics is a process called Auditing.

Auditing is like a cross between psycho-therapy and confessional where the subject is asked very personal and confronting questions about what are their crimes, what thoughts or actions have they taken against the church and other darker subjects such as their deepest secrets, sexual deviancies or fantasies (or simply their sexuality, note that homosexuality is seen as a crime akin to "covert hostility"), etc.

These are taken in one of two ways, either they are asked to divulge all this information (whilst holding an E-meter I might add, which is a crude lie detector to indicate if they are hiding anything or holding anything back) and the Auditor writes down everything they confess - or the other format is that the subject themselves writes these things down themselves. Either way, the notes from each session are signed and dated by the subject and then filed away.

Remember this isn't information volunteered by the individual as in "I did this and this and I feel bad about it" these are responses to an interrogation with a basic lie detector, a digging around to see what the Auditor can find out about the subject.

Do you see the problem yet?

There have been those who have left the "church" who have had many or most of these secrets leaked to the public. Many have lost jobs or had marriages destroyed based on the information that has found its way into the hands of people who would use information against them.

If you look up "Fair Game" you will see the lengths that Scientology will go to in order to keep control and ahold of their "property".

If John Travolta has any secrets that he wanted to keep hidden, there is a great incentive to stay with the "church".

As I said, all this information is online. If we discuss this too much here it might bring unwanted attention to Wrong Planet that I would hate to be responsible for.

One site I'd recommend is xenu.net and for information straight from those who have left the "church" (including the niece of the current leader David Miscavige) go to exscientologykids.com


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05 Jan 2009, 8:07 pm

From what I'm reading it is NOT clear that the "church" authorities would have considered anti-epilepsy drugs to be psychotic drugs and not medical drugs. They apparently DO encourage normal medical treatment and follow the advice of doctors. That is part of why I'm filing all this speculation into the "we don't know" file for now.


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05 Jan 2009, 8:59 pm

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One site I'd recommend is xenu.net and for information straight from those who have left the "church" (including the niece of the current leader David Miscavige) go to exscientologykids.com


Is there a site that explains Scientology in a non-biased way? The Xenu site is so negative I can barely understand it.



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05 Jan 2009, 9:13 pm

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Avoidable? How? By locking everyone who has ever had a seizure in a padded room for the rest of their lives?

My friend is epileptic, she takes her medicine, yet every now and again one slips through and she passes out. If this would happen while she was driving, she could kill herself, possibly others. Do you take away her driver's license or let her have freedom, all on that .0001% chance it happens at the wrong time?

Again, what happened to Jett is a tragedy, but to say anyone is to blame is ignorant of chance happenings.


That's a hard one but think people with seizures shouldn't drive they could kill other people, I gave up my license when I realized even one small seizure could kill someone, yes it complicates my life and causes me to have less freedom but I think it's worth it but I am lucky my mom my dad and my ex will all drive me places. I do think locking people in a padded room would be a bit much but there are reasonable precautions, My sseizures aren't fully under control now though because I had to change meds a few years ago when I developed an allergy to the one I was on. the medicating of such things is tricky and it 's bad if the family won't even try for religious reason. having a lot of seizures can also cause brain damage so one should especially do what needs to be done to stop them.



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05 Jan 2009, 9:23 pm

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I am just sickened by this. John Travolta denied to the very end that his son had autism, instead saying he had a form of Kawasaki disease. This is so sad.So sad. One way to get rid of his baggage, as his scientology religion forbade him from seeking treatment for his son. He won't have to care for his son's needs anymore, as if he was just a burden to them. Oh, my heart is so sad now...Rest in peace, Jett.


Sorry I'm coming into this a bit late- but where is the evidence that Jett was on the spectrum?



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05 Jan 2009, 9:26 pm

They have the results of Jett's autopsy but the family hasn't made them public.



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05 Jan 2009, 9:28 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
They have the results of Jett's autopsy but the family hasn't made them public.


So, what does that mean?



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05 Jan 2009, 9:30 pm

I'm not sure but I bet there will be a book.



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06 Jan 2009, 1:39 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
They have the results of Jett's autopsy but the family hasn't made them public.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090106/ap_ ... olta_s_son

Basically, from what i understood skimming through it, there was no head trauma.



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06 Jan 2009, 5:00 am

mm interesting that the body is being cremated, Travolta would be a lapsed catholic. Does scientology require cremation?



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06 Jan 2009, 6:42 am

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06 Jan 2009, 9:14 am

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Unknown_Quantity wrote:
One site I'd recommend is xenu.net and for information straight from those who have left the "church" (including the niece of the current leader David Miscavige) go to exscientologykids.com


Is there a site that explains Scientology in a non-biased way? The Xenu site is so negative I can barely understand it.


You could try Wikipedia.

I don't think there is such a thing as a non-biased site about Scientology. The only sites are ones by critics or by Scientology itself (or one of its many front groups).


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06 Jan 2009, 11:16 am

Tantybi wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
They have the results of Jett's autopsy but the family hasn't made them public.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090106/ap_ ... olta_s_son

Basically, from what i understood skimming through it, there was no head trauma.


See, I am right, $cientologists killed him! 8O



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06 Jan 2009, 2:18 pm

That last article is good, I haven't heard of anyone being killed by a 'seizure'.



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06 Jan 2009, 2:45 pm

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That last article is good, I haven't heard of anyone being killed by a 'seizure'.

seizures can,and do kill,one of dads' cousins died in childhood from a seizure,it's called SUDEP.


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