Do you think that Elitism is a problem in the WP community?

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I think there's a good deal of deceitful elitism and false beliefs already going on in this thread so toodaloo...

Actually, it would be nice if we were exactly alike because then we could do the same things and get the same results. There would be far less bitterness and resentment that way.

Once again, O (do you mind if I call you "O" for short?) wades in with a statement that's hard to argue with!

I've noticed that WP has changed over the past 5 years, but that's expected. These things are expected, when you have over 400 people posting at one time. Nobody's going to agree on everything. Some spectrumites are affectionate, and some are more likely to speak their minds. It's the same, everywhere. I was personally attacked in The Haven almost a year ago. I came back, and I'm posting again. I've been a little wary of the things that I've been saying, but I'm coming around, again. I'm glad that I've decided to come back to WP.

WP is a bit like a bathroom.
multi purposed.
i use it for different things at different times of the day.

People shouldn't attack others in The Haven!

I'm glad you came back. For some reason, reading your posts always make me feel good. I'm not sure why that is, because you speak your mind and don't go around buttering people up. Your posts are always grounded and sound very experienced. And they help the topic make sense.

I'm so glad that there are many different kinds of voices on WP. That makes this place so special.

No I am not self defeating neither do I think I have a mental illness, or that I am damaged. I do have a mental impairment as does everybody else who has aspergers, sorry if reality hurts.

But this is not my issue, the view that many on this forum hold that 'NT' = shallow, illogical, condescending etc etc ad nauseum is so ridiculously facile. This is compounded by the belief that we in the wonderful world of 'aspiedom' do not share any of these traits, I even read a thread devoted to the idea that 'aspies' do not lie

You write in regard to neurotypical behaviour..........."but who generalize their superiority to all kinds of imagined talents" well sorry, I see this behaviour demonstrated on this forum all the time.

I am not out to bash people with aspergers, I would just like us to take a reality check and try and understand SOME of the reactions we get, and not put ALL the blame onto the people we interact with.

Let's all have the courage to be ourselves instead of acting out a bland, preconcieved stereotype-

how's that for a platitude?

Support does not solely mean that we have to agree and commiserate it also includes pointing out where you think they are mistaken

It's not just a real problem to some. Humans are highly social animals, and so called popularity or being "in" or "out" is an integral part of social identity. You will not generally find people to be healthy who cannot integrate socially.

There is nothing wrong with having a HIgh IQ, specific abilities etc, the problem arises when you try to associate this with aspergers and only aspergers.

Firstly you do not know if your particular "special talent" is a result of aspergers. You need not have aspergers to have a logical, analytical mind, and neither does having aspegers guarantee this trait. There are hordes of non apsergers people that share these same abilities and traits. So be proud of your abilities but please refrain from expounding the fallacious belief that this is something unique to AS

lol I actually had to look up the definition for platitude.

Ah well , you cant know everything.

Everyone has mental impairments. It doesn't hurt me if you associate yours with AS.



Speaking as one AS who cannot lie, I find your comments about AS and their views, to be ridiculously facile, and not intellectually honest. You generalize your feeling of impairment but particularize your skepticism about positive AS traits. The intellectual dishonesty of your anti-AS feelings is such that they aren't even consistent.



That's deep. Your shallow treatment of this notion, and others, doesn't persuade me that you can see deeply into the claims anyone makes on this forum.



You are making so many assumptions with that statement, it would be a waste of my time to identify them. But you describe a pervasive negative view of AS traits as "understaning some of the reactions we get" and you associate a positive view of AS traits as putting "the blame onto the people we interact with". Your associative thinking is so unsupported by any actual cause and effect that your pronouncements just sound like biased attitudes. Perhaps if you could explain how your "reality checks" (pervasive negative view of AS) promotes better understanding of NT reactions to us or how a positive view of AS traits is putting "blame onto the people we interact with", you might sound less prejudiced.

I wonder if there are any NT reactions to AS traits that you understand better than I.

Sounds to me like you're just down on AS, and that you consider your negativity to be some form of intellectual honesty.

Exactly! And the "etc etc" includes keeping one's house clean, organisational skills, naïveté that leads unscruplulous types to take advantage of us... the list goes on. Even some Aspies with high IQs have as much difficulty, due to their profile of abilities being terribly uneven, with everyone around them assuming because they're proficient at X, they should easily be able to get the hang of Y as well. Most of us with Asperger's will NOT become another Bill Gates or Bram Cohen. Reality check.

Ever thought that because a lot of us suffer similar unpleasant experiences and misfortunes to each other? Do you realise how callous and inconsiderate you're being? Someone else on this forum is facing homelessness: would you just platitudes such as "We make our own" luck, and somehow think that's going to help them keep a roof over their head? I don't think so! Get a clue.

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Mine and yours. To think that AS does not incorporate a degree of mental impairment is plainly absurd.



Interesting coming from an Aspie Elitist



BS, I am down on the false belief that having aspergers elevates one above neurotypicals. You can rejoice in your condition all you like, just remember that when you slag off 'neurotypicals' you are generalising in the extreme, and deluding yourself that having aspergers removes these traits

Yes it may be true that there are some Aspergers folk are capable of some amazing mental acrobatics, arguably the majority cannot. For those that have such great benefits and have managed to forge a successful career fantastic, but this does not excuse nor add weight to the ridiculous notion often put forward on this forum that we are the next best thing in human evolution.

I celebrated when I found out that I had Aspergers, not because I think that the disorder is a cause for celebration, instead like many here I was so relieved to have an answer to what I had been going through all my life.

May I suggest that you talk to some 'NT's that care for aspergers kids, then you might get a different perspective of the disorder