Optimism and Reality: Goldfish21 Response to me

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I've worked on $65M houses. I know what big money is. I've never made big money, because ASD symptoms constrain me. I graduated from business school when I was 19 years old. My employment history is very stereotypically Aspie. I was $110K in debt and bankrupt 6 years ago. My accounts peaked at $134K in January of this year. That's the highest net worth I've ever had - and that's pretty phenomenal for a guy who's currently earning $17.07 an hour as a brand new apprentice. Even though I haven't made six figures a year, nor accumulated a Million dollars in net worth, I'm doing pretty good for an autistic guy working for a regular wage. Hell, I'm doing pretty good for almost anyone, since most people spend what they earn. Further, this is further evidence of my lifelong diagnosis. It's classic that we're either unemployed like the starter of this thread, or underemployed/underpaid like myself.

I do this work because it's in my blood, I respect my father's work ethic in his trade, and also because I couldn't do it before when my symptoms constrained me. Now that I have strength, stamina, and coordination - I'd rather do this than push paper. Plus if I were to stick it out doing this the wages and benefits package is $42.50/hr, which is great money for an hourly paid job in this city - not compared to how much it costs to live here, but compared to local wages in general. Also, supply & demand - typical construction jobs like this pay more than typical office jobs. Like nearly twice as much. That's why there are many University educated construction workers here now - they have student loans to pay off, so they pick up tools and start earning money.

Financial success is relative. Relative to where I was, I've made some BIG changes. Relative to many others here on disability or unable to work at all like I was 6 years ago, I'm doing pretty fantastic with what I've accumulated, so, yes, I think it's entirely fair to say I've made some money & I think others who'd like to be able to function and provide for themselves should hear that message.

Since you're belittling what I've earned with my labour, please, do tell me what money you've earned for yourself? Oh, you're 17.. I see. I started delivering newspapers when I was 10 & worked at McDonald's when I turned 15, added in a 2nd job in grade 12 and worked ~ 7 days a week between McD's and UPS while taking extra courses starting at 6:50am doing a CADD drafting career prep program. Feel free to share what you've earned.

Envy sounds about right considering you're the one who's posted that you don't believe it's possible for you to ever make and have a friend.

edit: And someone might be paying for the best specialists, but if they don't realize the gut dysbiosis ASD connection, then they're not the best specialists. Perhaps you should be contacting Dr. Li and his team. It seems your team of specialists is missing someone.

Last edited by goldfish21 on 04 Jun 2018, 6:40 am, edited 2 times in total.

I was responding to your post as quoted.. pointing out that a medicinal diet intended to heal an ailment is drastically different from a stereotypical bodybuilder or athlete's basic healthy diet.

You heard right.

Sorry but sounds like more over exaggerating on both ends that doesn't add up. -110k +134k 17$ phr.

You were able to work all that time because you were never severely disabled like I am. If you were you would have been diagnosed at an early age like I was.

Were you ever diagnosed with anything as a child, put in special ed or anything like that?

And where did I say I can't make friends? I have posted that I've even had a boyfriend. But also that I'm wired not to need friends. So no angst or yearning regarding that.

My physician is an internist. He knows all about the gut. More so than an apprentice construction worker I'm sure. Funny you call upon dr. Lee or Attwood as an appeal to authority when you say you don't need the input of specialists. Still more stuff that doesn't add up but as always good for lulz.

Last edited by EzraS on 04 Jun 2018, 9:17 am, edited 1 time in total.

It suggests you don't have Aspergers. If you had your parents would try to find out what was wrong with you, even more if it wasn't that obvious. And autism doesn't have to be debilitating for your parents to feel the need to look for the cause of it.


From the above and this statement, you don't have Aspergers, because it starts in the childhood, not in your adult life. And it's obvious why that "treatment" works for you, antibiotics caused your state, so probiotics cure it. There's no place for Aspergers here.

I don't see any proofs, and that "research" you're mentioning has many flaws even in the introduction, so it's not even worth reading. IF it works, it may only prevent developing brain from becoming autistic, but it can't fix it, 'cause once wiring of the brain is established, it's almost set in stone, you can only find some ways around. Diet may be crucial for additional conditions like coeliac, but that's not treatment for autism itself. It's because autistic mind works TOO well in some areas, and it causes deficits in other, like socializing. So by changing diet you will either cause positive autistic traits to grow, causing more meltdowns, shutdowns and burnouts, or cause negative autistic traits to grow, like even worse social deficiency, ADHD symptoms, etc.

That from definition means you don't have Aspergers, but some mental illness.

You're treating the root cause of these ASD-like symptoms, and no wonder it works, because you don't have Aspergers, if you had it, it wouldn't work for the reasons I wrote above.
And from everything you're saying, you're symptoms work on demand, people can't tell you're autistic, but if needed you can be perceived as such. You have much more friends than autistics can have, and wonderful sexual life without any relationship. For me it doesn't sound autistic, but rather psychopathic.

I don’t think Goldfish is a psychopath.

He’s just a guy who feels he’s found a solution and seeks to help others via it.

He also has a decent-sized ego and feels he has to defend his honor when he feels others insult him.

So he feels the need to engage in debate which usually goes nowhere.

Ezra doesn’t think Goldfish is truly “looney.” He’s defending his honor, too.

They’re both defending their honor. This is at the crux of all this.

The thing is: what helped Goldfish might not help a more complexly autistic person.

Goldfish should say, “I found something that’s worked for me” and present what’s worked for him. And let others decide if they want to go further with this.

To promote what’s worked for him as something which can greatly help those who are more entrenched in the Spectrum than he is—is probably stretching it.

I didn't write he is a psychopath, only that things he writes sound like that. It means he has some problem, that supposed treatment didn't solve and should seek some professional help. I know how's that feels being self-diagnosed, when people ignore it. And I know that without it I wouldn't be professionally diagnosed. But I looked for professional help, and he should too.

And treatments are usually good for one thing, but bad for some others. It's dangerous to use them without professional knowledge.

^^^No doubt in what you say.

What works for one might not work for the other. Professional consultation is essential.

Why.

WHY is this arguement still going? WHAT is any of this accomplishing?

I keep seeing this arguement pop up over... and over... and over... and over... and over... and frankly, it's getting a little old. It's on the freaking front page all the time, even. Yet it's clearly going NOWHERE, considering what this "conversation" sounds like. This increasingly childish conversation. I mean, good grief, I see you guys even starting to try to bash each other over the head with how much money/prestige/friends/whatever you have. Doesnt that sound just a LITTLE stupid and childish?

@Goldfish

One way or another, you're not going to convince most people of what you're saying here... PARTICULARLY as you're undiagnosed and not a doctor. To put it in a different way: I have, say, back problems, right? Hurts like heck. So with that going on, say some random guy runs up to me and says "Hey, I bet that hurts, but while I'm NOT A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL or even in that industry, and while my own exact problem has never properly been diagnosed, I know JUST WHAT'LL FIX IT. Just do this set of things that is NOT A PROVEN CURE and it'll totally deal with it for you! It's totally guaranteed (by me) to work! You've got nothing to lose!"

Now, let me ask you this: Why in the numerous hells would I *ever* take that advice? PARTICULARLY over the freaking internet? That's the LAST thing anyone here should do. If the advice is not coming from your own personal medical professional that you deal with IRL, you should not be listening to it. PERIOD. No, there's no exceptions to that one.

And what's worse, the stuff you go on about sounds like, well.... do you know what "snake oil salesman" means? Dont get me wrong: I dont think you're a bad person, nor do I think you're out here to swindle anyone or screw anyone over. Perhaps what you say really did work for you, eh? But that's irrelevant though: One way or another, that's EXACTLY how alot of people on here perceive you... and I cant blame them. This IS the internet, bastion of lies and insanity that it is, and this IS a forum filled with people that could be anything on the other side of those screens (no matter what photos or whatever they may have shown of themselves). It's inherantly a bad idea to trust something like this that you found on a bloody forum, no matter who is giving the advice. It's absolutely understandable, and in fact even correct (again, nobody should trust stuff like this they find on the internet no matter who it's from), that people might not trust what you're saying no matter what "evidence" you provide. In case you didnt notice, half of the bloody internet provides "evidence" of fixing all SORTS of unfixable crap. Honestly if you've been on the Net for any appreciable amount of time.... then you should know better than to think that anyone should rightfully believe in anything like that. Particularly from someone that is, by your own admission, not only undiagnosed but NOT a medical professional yourself. Hell, the lack of diagnosis doesnt matter that much... it's that final bit that REALLY matters. Though honestly even if you were a medical professional.... again, nobody should believe stuff like this they get over the internet... period. No exceptions. Ever.

Doesnt that all seem to make logical sense?

And here we come to the other reason people probably always argue against you: Because even despite all of that, you're still really rather pushy when it comes to this stuff. I've always thought so, and so have others, as has been made very clear here.

Honestly, instead of constantly, CONSTANTLY creating or taking part in arguements with this just to push this idea that nobody should be listening to in the first place.... just stop. Just.... stop.

I mean, unless you're TRYING to agitate the hell out of people, because that's what it's accomplishing (hell, I've had to listen to annoyed rants about this a couple of times from people in the last week. That... shouldnt be happening). It sure as hell is what this topic is also accomplishing, too. Is that what you want? To just make people MORE agitated? Again, I dont think you're a bad person, or a bully, or anything like that. Chances are... you really do mean well. BUT. I dont think you are AT ALL considering the real effects of what you're doing on the forum here. That, too, is understandable... it's an easy thing for anyone to get wrong.

Really, this all needs to come to a bloody close already. This whole tired saga. I'm sure you're a nice person and all... but this just isnt the right way to do things, or help people.

I'm not the one who used that word. As per agreement I let my parents know when someone wants me to do off forum stuff. Even if it's innocuous. They read the posts that had the invites etc and my dad laughed and said sounds pretty looney.

Of course you didn’t call him a psychopath.

You just feel he’s a a trip, is all.

It’s sort of a combination of comedy and seriousness with the both of you.

I get what your dad means, Ezra.

Were I a dad, I’d feel the same way.

I know you don’t think he’s truly looney. Or a psychopath.

You just feel he might not understand autism too well. Which might be true.

Once again, I didn't call him a psychopath, I don't know if the things he writes are true, he may be just deeply insecure and tries to look "better", but that's why I think he needs professional evaluation. But having a lot of sex without relationship is a psychopathic, not autistic trait.

I know you didn't. Didn't I say you didn't?

Goldfish is a nice fellow. A guy who likes to get his point across. Maybe a little too vociferously.

I sometimes fall into that trap, too. Wanting to keep my honor. Wanting to prevail in an argument. It's human nature.

It's a vicious cycle. One has to have enough insight to stop the cycle once it goes too far. Sometimes, I have the insight. Other times, I don't

That's the main problem here. Goldfish has to say to himself "This ain't going nowhere," and take his battle elsewhere. He reminds me of myself when I was younger. I just couldn't "let it go."

This sort of reminds me of watching a fight in a schoolyard (though loosely).

It's sort of entertaining to watch two people ranking each other out. Especially if the ranking out isn't taken too seriously.

It sometimes brings life to a forum; though it sometimes makes things depressing. A side of me really likes the dual cleverness.

I hope Ezra and Goldfish can get a soda (pop) somewhere, and just chew the fat a bit.