Optimism and Reality: Goldfish21 Response to me

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It suggests you don't have Aspergers. If you had your parents would try to find out what was wrong with you, even more if it wasn't that obvious. And autism doesn't have to be debilitating for your parents to feel the need to look for the cause of it.


From the above and this statement, you don't have Aspergers, because it starts in the childhood, not in your adult life. And it's obvious why that "treatment" works for you, antibiotics caused your state, so probiotics cure it. There's no place for Aspergers here.

I know you didn't. Didn't I say you didn't?

Goldfish is a nice fellow. A guy who likes to get his point across. Maybe a little too vociferously.

I sometimes fall into that trap, too. Wanting to keep my honor. Wanting to prevail in an argument. It's human nature.

Sorry but sounds like more over exaggerating on both ends that doesn't add up. -110k +134k 17$ phr.

You were able to work all that time because you were never severely disabled like I am. If you were you would have been diagnosed at an early age like I was.

Were you ever diagnosed with anything as a child, put in special ed or anything like that?

And where did I say I can't make friends? I have posted that I've even had a boyfriend. But also that I'm wired not to need friends. So no angst or yearning regarding that.

My physician is an internist. He knows all about the gut. More so than an apprentice construction worker I'm sure. Funny you call upon dr. Lee or Attwood as an appeal to authority when you say you don't need the input of specialists. Still more stuff that doesn't add up but as always good for lulz.

It suggests you don't have Aspergers. If you had your parents would try to find out what was wrong with you, even more if it wasn't that obvious. And autism doesn't have to be debilitating for your parents to feel the need to look for the cause of it.


From the above and this statement, you don't have Aspergers, because it starts in the childhood, not in your adult life. And it's obvious why that "treatment" works for you, antibiotics caused your state, so probiotics cure it. There's no place for Aspergers here.

I don't see any proofs, and that "research" you're mentioning has many flaws even in the introduction, so it's not even worth reading. IF it works, it may only prevent developing brain from becoming autistic, but it can't fix it, 'cause once wiring of the brain is established, it's almost set in stone, you can only find some ways around. Diet may be crucial for additional conditions like coeliac, but that's not treatment for autism itself. It's because autistic mind works TOO well in some areas, and it causes deficits in other, like socializing. So by changing diet you will either cause positive autistic traits to grow, causing more meltdowns, shutdowns and burnouts, or cause negative autistic traits to grow, like even worse social deficiency, ADHD symptoms, etc.

That from definition means you don't have Aspergers, but some mental illness.

You're treating the root cause of these ASD-like symptoms, and no wonder it works, because you don't have Aspergers, if you had it, it wouldn't work for the reasons I wrote above.
And from everything you're saying, you're symptoms work on demand, people can't tell you're autistic, but if needed you can be perceived as such. You have much more friends than autistics can have, and wonderful sexual life without any relationship. For me it doesn't sound autistic, but rather psychopathic.

I don’t think Goldfish is a psychopath.

He’s just a guy who feels he’s found a solution and seeks to help others via it.

He also has a decent-sized ego and feels he has to defend his honor when he feels others insult him.

So he feels the need to engage in debate which usually goes nowhere.

Ezra doesn’t think Goldfish is truly “looney.” He’s defending his honor, too.

They’re both defending their honor. This is at the crux of all this.

The thing is: what helped Goldfish might not help a more complexly autistic person.

Goldfish should say, “I found something that’s worked for me” and present what’s worked for him. And let others decide if they want to go further with this.

To promote what’s worked for him as something which can greatly help those who are more entrenched in the Spectrum than he is—is probably stretching it.

I didn't write he is a psychopath, only that things he writes sound like that. It means he has some problem, that supposed treatment didn't solve and should seek some professional help. I know how's that feels being self-diagnosed, when people ignore it. And I know that without it I wouldn't be professionally diagnosed. But I looked for professional help, and he should too.

And treatments are usually good for one thing, but bad for some others. It's dangerous to use them without professional knowledge.

^^^No doubt in what you say.

What works for one might not work for the other. Professional consultation is essential.

Why.

WHY is this arguement still going? WHAT is any of this accomplishing?

I keep seeing this arguement pop up over... and over... and over... and over... and over... and frankly, it's getting a little old. It's on the freaking front page all the time, even. Yet it's clearly going NOWHERE, considering what this "conversation" sounds like. This increasingly childish conversation. I mean, good grief, I see you guys even starting to try to bash each other over the head with how much money/prestige/friends/whatever you have. Doesnt that sound just a LITTLE stupid and childish?

@Goldfish

One way or another, you're not going to convince most people of what you're saying here... PARTICULARLY as you're undiagnosed and not a doctor. To put it in a different way: I have, say, back problems, right? Hurts like heck. So with that going on, say some random guy runs up to me and says "Hey, I bet that hurts, but while I'm NOT A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL or even in that industry, and while my own exact problem has never properly been diagnosed, I know JUST WHAT'LL FIX IT. Just do this set of things that is NOT A PROVEN CURE and it'll totally deal with it for you! It's totally guaranteed (by me) to work! You've got nothing to lose!"

Now, let me ask you this: Why in the numerous hells would I *ever* take that advice? PARTICULARLY over the freaking internet? That's the LAST thing anyone here should do. If the advice is not coming from your own personal medical professional that you deal with IRL, you should not be listening to it. PERIOD. No, there's no exceptions to that one.

And what's worse, the stuff you go on about sounds like, well.... do you know what "snake oil salesman" means? Dont get me wrong: I dont think you're a bad person, nor do I think you're out here to swindle anyone or screw anyone over. Perhaps what you say really did work for you, eh? But that's irrelevant though: One way or another, that's EXACTLY how alot of people on here perceive you... and I cant blame them. This IS the internet, bastion of lies and insanity that it is, and this IS a forum filled with people that could be anything on the other side of those screens (no matter what photos or whatever they may have shown of themselves). It's inherantly a bad idea to trust something like this that you found on a bloody forum, no matter who is giving the advice. It's absolutely understandable, and in fact even correct (again, nobody should trust stuff like this they find on the internet no matter who it's from), that people might not trust what you're saying no matter what "evidence" you provide. In case you didnt notice, half of the bloody internet provides "evidence" of fixing all SORTS of unfixable crap. Honestly if you've been on the Net for any appreciable amount of time.... then you should know better than to think that anyone should rightfully believe in anything like that. Particularly from someone that is, by your own admission, not only undiagnosed but NOT a medical professional yourself. Hell, the lack of diagnosis doesnt matter that much... it's that final bit that REALLY matters. Though honestly even if you were a medical professional.... again, nobody should believe stuff like this they get over the internet... period. No exceptions. Ever.

Doesnt that all seem to make logical sense?

And here we come to the other reason people probably always argue against you: Because even despite all of that, you're still really rather pushy when it comes to this stuff. I've always thought so, and so have others, as has been made very clear here.

Honestly, instead of constantly, CONSTANTLY creating or taking part in arguements with this just to push this idea that nobody should be listening to in the first place.... just stop. Just.... stop.

I mean, unless you're TRYING to agitate the hell out of people, because that's what it's accomplishing (hell, I've had to listen to annoyed rants about this a couple of times from people in the last week. That... shouldnt be happening). It sure as hell is what this topic is also accomplishing, too. Is that what you want? To just make people MORE agitated? Again, I dont think you're a bad person, or a bully, or anything like that. Chances are... you really do mean well. BUT. I dont think you are AT ALL considering the real effects of what you're doing on the forum here. That, too, is understandable... it's an easy thing for anyone to get wrong.

Really, this all needs to come to a bloody close already. This whole tired saga. I'm sure you're a nice person and all... but this just isnt the right way to do things, or help people.