Optimism and Reality: Goldfish21 Response to me

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05 Jun 2018, 10:04 am

It's all in the delivery.....



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05 Jun 2018, 10:17 am

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That's a very, VERY dangerous precedent to set. AND, it doesnt even make logical sense to follow something like that without overwhelming evidence of it's function (but on the internet, ANY evidence should be considered potentially fake, no matter it's source) and without a source of medical authority being the one telling it. Really, it's just dangerous. That you keep pushing it despite that is... not a good thing, sir.


Maybe these treatments that GF does is promising. I do think the medical experts should do some studies on these things and see to what extent they work or not.



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05 Jun 2018, 10:18 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
It's all in the delivery.....


True



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05 Jun 2018, 10:24 am

The way I see it....he can put the treatments out there, say they benefited him----but he shouldn't do the "hard sell."

He should lay the treatments out there-----and allow people to come to him.

When I walk into a store, I don't want to be bombarded by salespeople. I'd rather go to the salesperson should I want something.

And he shouldn't berate people who express skepticism. Just like I wouldn't want some salesperson to get upset should I choose not to buy what he/she is selling.

He's not a bad guy......he's pitching his treatment (even though he earns no money from it). Just like a preacher is "pitching" Jesus.



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05 Jun 2018, 10:27 am

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WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE PUT THIS THREAD OUT OF ITS MISERY, ALREADY?


Let's get back to the point of the topic. Here is what I think.

a. I think positivism and optimism has some validity to it.

b. I don't think positivism nor optimism is the be all end all.

c. No amount of positvity or optimism will work if one has no clue how to do something and the info doesn't seem to exist or if it does one doesn't understand it that well. <<<This is mainly my issue

d. One does have to have some belief that it is possible to do a particular something and be motivated to do it before it will get done. <<<This is where the positivists and optimists do get it right

e. People respond more favorably to those who are more positive and display this positivity.

f. Positivity and optimism does not affect emperical reality like how fast the Earth rotates on its axis but only affects the social reality that one is in which positivity and optimism is required.

g. In the USA and other places positivism and optimism are required.

Conclusion: The first step that I would have to do to get better responses and get what I need is to be more positive in my outlook and learn to project a positive attitude to others. How I would do this? I have no idea yet.



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05 Jun 2018, 10:43 am

I think "optimism and positivism with a basis" has validity.

I don't believe "optimism and positivism" without evidence has much validity

I do believe in looking at things as if the "glass is half full."

I don't believe in "defensive pessimism." I believe it cuts you off from good things sometimes.



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05 Jun 2018, 11:14 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
The way I see it....he can put the treatments out there, say they benefited him----but he shouldn't do the "hard sell."

He should lay the treatments out there-----and allow people to come to him.

When I walk into a store, I don't want to be bombarded by salespeople. I'd rather go to the salesperson should I want something.

And he shouldn't berate people who express skepticism. Just like I wouldn't want some salesperson to get upset should I choose not to buy what he/she is selling.

He's not a bad guy......he's pitching his treatment (even though he earns no money from it). Just like a preacher is "pitching" Jesus.


Thing is he jumps into threads turns the subject into a pitch in a way that usually elicits responses and a lot of threads have gotten locked because of it.



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05 Jun 2018, 12:42 pm

60 pages of circular back and forth is enough for now. Can we give this topic a rest for at least three months please, as members are reporting it, and anyone who is interested has these 60 pages to read and all the other threads Goldfish has created or commented in which can be found. Carry your two way conversation on via PM as you wish.