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28 Jun 2010, 9:18 am

Kiseki wrote:
I remember being 13 and I knew a whole hell of a lot of stuff (from books of course).


Typical teenagers and kids don't spend hours a day reading books on physics or biology. Many don't read ANYTHING at all besides what's required in their school curriculi... and they even try to get away with not reading the required works if they think they can.

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I don't feel like it is necessary to treat children any differently than adults. I tend to treat everyone the same.


If it were up to me, I would treat everyone the same as well. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way for neurotypical people. They expect some codes of behavior in some situations and other codes of behavior in other situations. The less you adjust your behavior according to their rules, the more you are considered a "weirdo" and the more uncomfortable you'll make the average neurotypical person feel.

Neurotypical people usually learn to how behave in a specific situation during their youth. People with ASD can take a lifetime to learn it all and many never even get to the point of grasping all the aspects of accepted social behavior.

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I ought to change though before I get in trouble somewhere along the line...


That would not be a bad idea :wink:



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28 Jun 2010, 9:25 am

Salonfilosoof wrote:
Kiseki wrote:
I remember being 13 and I knew a whole hell of a lot of stuff (from books of course).


Typical teenagers and kids don't spend hours a day reading books on physics or biology. Many don't read ANYTHING at all besides what's required in their school curriculi... and they even try to get away with not reading the required works if they think they can.

Kiseki wrote:
I don't feel like it is necessary to treat children any differently than adults. I tend to treat everyone the same.


If it were up to me, I would treat everyone the same as well. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way for neurotypical people. They expect some codes of behavior in some situations and other codes of behavior in other situations. The less you adjust your behavior according to their rules, the more you are considered a "weirdo" and the more uncomfortable you'll make the average neurotypical person feel.

Neurotypical people usually learn to how behave in a specific situation during their youth. People with ASD can take a lifetime to learn it all and many never even get to the point of grasping all the aspects of accepted social behavior.

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I ought to change though before I get in trouble somewhere along the line...


That would not be a bad idea :wink:


Yeah, I am old enough I should know better, huh? Well, people tell me so all the time. My friends are always remarking about my lack of filter. It's only good when we are all drunk :oops:

I don't want to act like a usual person. It makes me feel bad inside. But for the sake of professional situations I suppose I should tone down. Thank you for your advice :)



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28 Jun 2010, 9:31 am

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Yeah, I am old enough I should know better, huh? Well, people tell me so all the time. My friends are always remarking about my lack of filter. It's only good when we are all drunk :oops:


Not having an emotional filter is no excuse for not having a rational filter. Whatever I can't filter emotionally (intuitively / empathically) I try to filter rationally. It's far from perfect, but it helps you survive in difficult circumstances.

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I don't want to act like a usual person. It makes me feel bad inside. But for the sake of professional situations I suppose I should tone down.


That's what I do. When necessary for eg professional reasons I adapt as much as my environment requires me to and my abilities allow me to, but among my friends I am myself all the time and expect no less...

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Thank you for your advice :)


No problem.



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28 Jun 2010, 10:11 am

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Guys date any girl who are at least half-pretty. ASD girls have it easy.


No...we...f*****g...don't.


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28 Jun 2010, 10:39 am

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It is true that women that appear unusual and insecure are easy targets for sexual predators, however most of the time you should be able to recognise them and respond accordingly. At least you can get some male attention. After losing my self-confidence entirely it took me ages to realise it was mostly my inability to flirt that made it so damn hard to attract women at all and it's still a pain trying to learn it.

You complain that most of the guys approaching you are sexual predators just out for sex? Cry me a river. That seems like such a non-issue compared with the issues us guys have to deal with....


Wow...I am completely ret*d about telling whether a guy is just being friendly or if he is sexually interested, and even though I've never been raped I've had men do inappropriate things to me, or get very angry at me because they thought I was leading them on when I was just being polite. It really hasn't been easy for me to tell when a man is being predatory, and I find it really confusing and frustrating and even frightening. I'd be talking to a guy and then have friends come up to me and tell me that he likes me, or that I should avoid him because he was being creepy to me, but I didn't notice. And I don't want to date guys anyway. I prefer women, but most of the people who make an effort to talk to me are men, and I can't just run and hide from all of them or I'd have nobody to talk to.



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28 Jun 2010, 10:57 am

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Ferdinand wrote:
Guys date any girl who are at least half-pretty. ASD girls have it easy.


No...we...f***ing...don't.


There is nothing easy abt it. I think I'm at least half pretty but I feel invisible to guys. I never notice suble cues of interest only very obvious interest. The guys who are most obvious are often jerks and are actually acting inappropriately, I just don't get it. I'm married now, with the help of a friend, to a nice guy. I remember dates being very difficult. I often didn't know how to respond and spent most of my time trying to figure out how to act. I've been told I act aloof, stand offish, stuck up etc. If only they knew how I feel inside.....



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28 Jun 2010, 11:15 am

mechanicalgirl39 wrote:
Ferdinand wrote:
Guys date any girl who are at least half-pretty. ASD girls have it easy.


No...we...f***ing...don't.


Where do they get that idea?????

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28 Jun 2010, 1:14 pm

I don't think I've ever intentially tried to hide being Autistic, except for not mentioning it.


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28 Jun 2010, 2:14 pm

I will give Salonfilosoof this much:


To this day, I don't understand flirting; it's been suggested a few times that I've done it, but wasn't even aware of it in the process, and wouldn't even know it if a gal was flirting with me--just ask my girlfriend, she can attest to this I assure you.



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28 Jun 2010, 2:15 pm

Salonfilosoof wrote:
It is true that women that appear unusual and insecure are easy targets for sexual predators, however most of the time you should be able to recognise them and respond accordingly.


Especially with how good we are at recognizing and responding to social cues.

I rest my case.



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28 Jun 2010, 2:17 pm

TheHaywire wrote:
Salonfilosoof wrote:
It is true that women that appear unusual and insecure are easy targets for sexual predators, however most of the time you should be able to recognize them and respond accordingly.


Especially with how good we are at recognizing and responding to social cues.

I rest my case.



I totally have to back you on that;.



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28 Jun 2010, 7:59 pm

I think I will agree. I seem to attract jerks and old creepy men and psycho men..I have always wondered why, reading these posts maybe perhaps it is due to my behavior and I look very young also although I am mid 20's.

And yes it is very true that when (seemingly) normal guys that are into me get to know me better, they leave. Same with women..friends in general. It is like they do not want to put up with my weirdness. It's cool though, I like being alone anyway. Im sorry but i have yet to find positive things about being so odd and socially awkward. There is nothing good about being lost in a group of people and having no idea what anyone is talking about or having freak outs in public crowded places or not being able to make eye contact with someone without panicking.

I don't know who has it easier..men or women. Like someone said, quirky and being offbeat in women can be considered "cute" but with men it's easy for a man to get labeled as a freak or pervert or something. I just think it's rough for anyone in general to feel so lost and feel like they dont belong.



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28 Jun 2010, 8:46 pm

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On the personal experience dimensions...as a male, I won't pretend to know what it is like for females by using a female-vs-male comparison. To presume what I cannot experience or accurately observe is...dumb. Epically dumb.


Amazing!



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28 Jun 2010, 9:27 pm

TheDoctor82 wrote:
TheHaywire wrote:
Salonfilosoof wrote:
It is true that women that appear unusual and insecure are easy targets for sexual predators, however most of the time you should be able to recognize them and respond accordingly.


Especially with how good we are at recognizing and responding to social cues.

I rest my case.



I totally have to back you on that;.


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28 Jun 2010, 10:15 pm

Hey Everybody!

enjoying the discussion!

Just to let everyone know, the petition just hit 75 signatures!

DSM-V Unfair to Girls Petition

Thanks to all who signed it.. and a special thanks to all who forward this link to their friends and on FB.

I'm hoping this movement will continue to grow :)


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28 Jun 2010, 11:04 pm

Hello wrote:
I think I will agree. I seem to attract jerks and old creepy men and psycho men..I have always wondered why, reading these posts maybe perhaps it is due to my behavior and I look very young also although I am mid 20's.


Wow, me too! I always wondered why. I also supposedly look younger than my age. When I was in school I used to get approached by all kinds of creepy strangers trying to pick me up. When I was 10 and walking around the mall a straight-up pedophile approached me. Lucky for me I had a special interest in deviant behavior since age 8. so I could recognize him for what he was.