Religion (or lack thereof) and Autism/Asperger's?

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I believe in Jesus but, I don't like going to church.

so you value one life over another? why is the life of the child worth less than the life of the mother? I believe in NO Abortions, NO Exceptions, NO Excuses.

My abortion stance is only partly based on religion, it is also based on biological order, your offspring come first.

I think there could be a connection between autism and religous groups sometimes, I know two family's who have children with Classical Autism. One of them is a Mormon family, the other is a family of JW's.

Me too. Church is a social gathering and I don't like going to social events alone. I'm not that crazy about it even when I'm with someone. I prefer to watch the various preachers on TV. Generally, they seem to do a better job of having a good sermon anyway.

Anyhow, thanks to the OP for this very enlightening poll.

But FWIW, Sir Isaac Newton (who is regarded to be an aspie) is a cousin of mine about 12 times removed and although he was the discoverer of a lot of physical laws, he was also a devout Christian and devoted considerably more of his time to that than his physics.

I believe that an alive adult is more valuable thing that a bit of cells inside her guts. But a born and alive baby is as valuable as an adult.

Yes. While inside the mother, SHE gets to decide its fate, since it is her body.... fetuses should have NO rights in such cases. No one will force me to carry a pregnancy to term. Ever. (Especially now that I've achieved menopause, ho ho). But no, no one gets to tell me what to do with my body, even if there is another life dependent upon it.

But I also believe that in cases where a pregnant woman is murdered the fetus should be considered a murder victim. Here's the tricky part, though: not because of the fetus, but because the mother (and/or father) were expecting a child, thought of the child as theirs, and it was taken away. Ethics are very complicated!

Note that this response is for Bible believers so if you don't then you shouldn't read this.

If you believe the Bible is true, then you will need to check out Exodus 21:22-23.



Here the Bible shows us that the life of woman IS WITHOUT QUESTION worth more than her unborn child. The verse above shows us that if the woman has a forced miscarriage (an abortion) then the perpetrator pays a fine, but if the woman dies, he is put to death. Death is the penalty for murder. A fine is never an appropriate penalty for murder. Thus, abortion is not murder according to the Bible.

But this verse also clearly applies only in cases where the baby is not viable and cannot survive outside of the womb. If the baby can survive, then it IS murder if the baby is deliberately killed.

Coming from someone with a medical background, I can say with certainty that of those mothers who are having birthing complications of one kind or another, a VERY HIGH percentage of those mothers have had a previous abortion. This is not to say that every woman who has an abortion will have complications when they do decide to have children. Its just that there are medical consequences to having abortions and those consequences may affect future planned deliveries.

Partial birth abortions are very interesting in how people perceive them. They are NEVER medically necessary. They are highly traumatic on the mother so they would never be an appropriate choice for ending a pregnancy to save the mother's life. A C-Section is a common abortion procedure that is done routinely in most hospitals. They are done with the mother awake with a spinal block and takes about 45 minutes. They are the proper choice when an emergency abortion is required for late term pregnancies. The only problem for some people is that the goal is for the baby to survive, whereas a Partial Birth mandates death to the baby.

As far as when life begins, it DOES NOT begin at conception, it begins here:


So all human life is an extension of the life of Adam. But that does not mean that every living cell, is a human life. A baby becomes a living soul at the moment it takes its first breath.

Anyhow, agree or disagree, I don't care. And if you are atheist or agnostic, please don't reply to this because this doesn't concern you.

If were going to talk bible verses, keep in mind Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you...."

and yes, if you kill a pregnant woman, you should be charged with two counts of murder.

for those of you who think abortion is ok, be glad your mother chose life.

As far as im concerned, a woman who seeks an abortion is the same as her hiring a hitman, the doctor who performs the abortion is the hitman. Scott Roeder (google him) saved the lives of countless babies by taking an abortionist out of practice, while roeder's actions were against God's law, they still prevented further violations of Holy law.

I'm not glad to be alive.

Wow, you're championing a guy who opened fire on and killed a man that was performing a perfectly legal service? Because he disagreed? You are one sick puppy Chad. No wonder you assumed people would run around killing and stealing without the threat of hell keeping them in check. People like you are scary. Imagine if everyone killed people they didn't agree with. Mindboggling.

Well you can learn that without resorting to religion. I didn't learn my morals from the bible. People learn morality from society and from their experiences (not to mention that we are generally hard wired to conform to rules). We also have laws and rules in our society, which aren't necessarily moral but they arean example of how complex social hierarchies are formed. Even if religion was completely gone from society, it doesn't mean that people are going to suddenly become sociopaths and rape their grandmother.

The only way you can live as a religious person without turnbing batshit crazy is if you cherry pick the morals you want to live by.

Kind of irrelevant to this discussion as far as I can tell. It refers to God's ownership of time in which the past, present and future are no different to God. Time has no real meaning to God. It was just something He created for our benefit. Thus He knows when and how we will die, long before we are even conceived.

I'm not glad that she chose to have me at all. She refused an abortion for her benefit and not mine.

Except that abortion is not murder according to the Bible. People who kill abortion doctors ARE murderers.

You need to understand that some preachers are evil despite wearing robes and spouting off about religious matters. When they get people all riled up about how abortion is murder knowing full well the Bible says that it isn't, the motivation isn't for religious reasons, its to get people motivated so they will throw more money in the plate on Sunday. Those kinds of preachers can't be trusted.

I am personally against abortion as a form of birth control, but its not murder. And doctors are not hitmen.

Sure, we can learn it today without resorting to religion, but where did we, long ago, get these 'morals' from?
Societies today has many morals and laws derived from different religions (mostly Christianity, when it comes to European societies...)
We don't go through the Bible or any other religious text today and pick out things that we perceive as moral, but many societies did hundreds of years ago.
I am not religious or spiritual. Just saying.

His mentality here isn't too surprising....religion is a great way to rationalize one's sadism and bloodlust.

Religion has been one the sadist's greatest friends for thousands of years.



It helps if one is so convinced that humans have free will too....and most religious beliefs insist that we do ofcourse.

When you die, you just become part of the universe (even though, ironically, you are part of the universe while alive). Dinosaurs and humans share the same molecules and everything just gets recycled and put back together in different combinations. It's how we are all connected.

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So that must mean god knew Ted Bundy and Adolf Hitler before he "formed them in the womb" too right?


Why then.....did this supposedly omnipotent, omniscient and OMNIBENEVOLENT god allow Bundy and Hitler to be born?


Because the evil and suffering that god these individuals caused is all part of god's mysterious plan or something?

Part of..."the greater good"?


This seems to imply god NEEDS evil/suffering in order to bring about his "greater good".

Why would an omnipotent being NEED anything?

Sorry....a truly omnipotent AND omnibenevolent being wouldn't require ANY "necessary evils".

Such a being is not some cosmic Jeremy Bentham.