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31 Dec 2010, 8:54 pm

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I wouldn't call it deformity. It seemed to me like many have something about their eyes- sort of daydreamy, or sometimes youthful? I'm not sure how to describe it.


I have been told I have mean looking eyes and I am often asked why am I pissed off. :?:


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04 Jan 2011, 1:25 pm

There is nothing different in looks, from an NT to an Aspie. I said before - it's just the way we hold our faces, and postures, and it's more the illusion we take seriously. If I was born NT, I would still have this face I have now, only I'll be able to maintain a more positive expression.

And what's all this crap I've been hearing about Autistic people have white faces? OK, I have pale skin, but both my mum and dad are pale, and so's my brother, and they're all NTs. And anyway - I have a darker colour on my cheeks, and I don't even wear make-up. And I've met 3 Autistic people in my life, and they're all quite dark (not as in foreign).

Please stop convincing eachother about made-up things on the internet. We could all sit here and go on forever about what Autistic people typically have and don't have. We could all sit here, picking stuff at random and blaming it on having Autism. ''All Autistic people have green eyes'', ''all Autistic people have big hands'' ,''all Autistic people yawn a lot'' , ''all Autistic people have big noses'', ''all Autistic people start a flu with an eye ache'', ''all Autistic people twist their ankles more'', ''all Autistic people like drinking Vodka, '' ''all Autistic people.....'' you could just go on forever. So please stop and just focus on the things affected by the brain - not physical things in the body.

I have a bad posture - I walk hunched, with my neck like a giraffe, but my body ain't naturally like that. It's just the way I've been holding myself ever since I was 10. That is to do with my brain, because I can't be bothered to hold myself up straight, but it's nothing to do with my natural physical build.


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04 Jan 2011, 1:31 pm

Someone linked a study showing that certain physical traits were more likely among autistic people than the rest of the population.

It's not just in anyone's head, there's observed differences. Not everyone has them, many do. Nothing to be defensive about.



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04 Jan 2011, 1:41 pm

People make a big deal out of anomalies, get defensive and assume they are always negative and make a person unattractive. Maybe anomalies are what leads to physical beauty? Maybe they are why we don't all look the same?
Symmetry could, in fact, be an anomaly.



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04 Jan 2011, 4:41 pm

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Someone linked a study showing that certain physical traits were more likely among autistic people than the rest of the population.

It's not just in anyone's head, there's observed differences. Not everyone has them, many do. Nothing to be defensive about.


It just annoys me, because why does having AS mean we're different in every possible way?


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04 Jan 2011, 4:54 pm

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Nope, I'm a cutie-patootie if I do say so myself.


Hah, me as well.



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04 Jan 2011, 5:01 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Someone linked a study showing that certain physical traits were more likely among autistic people than the rest of the population.

It's not just in anyone's head, there's observed differences. Not everyone has them, many do. Nothing to be defensive about.


It just annoys me, because why does having AS mean we're different in every possible way?

Because individuals are different, just not in every possible way. Aspies and NTs both have eyes, ears, a nose, a mouth, arms, hands, fingers, legs, feet, toes. They also have lungs, hearts, stomaches, livers. So you see, we have many things in common ;)



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04 Jan 2011, 7:34 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Someone linked a study showing that certain physical traits were more likely among autistic people than the rest of the population.

It's not just in anyone's head, there's observed differences. Not everyone has them, many do. Nothing to be defensive about.


It just annoys me, because why does having AS mean we're different in every possible way?


It annoys me too. Correlation ≠ Causation



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04 Jan 2011, 7:49 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Someone linked a study showing that certain physical traits were more likely among autistic people than the rest of the population.

It's not just in anyone's head, there's observed differences. Not everyone has them, many do. Nothing to be defensive about.


It just annoys me, because why does having AS mean we're different in every possible way?


It doesn't mean that. Having an ASD means you're potentially different in a great many ways, but there's so much diversity that it seems obvious to me that everyone is not different in every possible way, nor is everyone different in the same number of ways.



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04 Jan 2011, 9:56 pm

Verdandi wrote:
Someone linked a study showing that certain physical traits were more likely among autistic people than the rest of the population.

It's not just in anyone's head, there's observed differences. Not everyone has them, many do. Nothing to be defensive about.


I do not see why people are getting defensive either. I understand the title of the thread, using deformity, can have negative connotations to it, but that is not what others are saying. Different does not equal bad; it just equals different. Also, because ASD is linked to many other genetic disorders, that are known to cause physical differences, one would expect that many people with ASD would have these physical differences too. Even something as simple as low muscle tone in the face, or the bigger eyes, and pupils, people have mentioned can make person look different from others. No one is saying anything bad. I have seen a few threads that ask if there is a common look to ASD, so it is something that has been recognized and thought about by many people.



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04 Jan 2011, 11:27 pm

Anomalies don't equal a third eye in the middle of the forehead or a cyclops. The anomalies can be subtle and attractive.



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04 Jan 2011, 11:41 pm

It has nothing to do with attractiveness though. If I'm defensive, it would be more because I don't want everything about me to be defined by a "disorder". Some things can just be me. But I don't really think I'm defensive anyway. Things like muscle tone, okay. I can buy that. I was a little weirded out by that mouth thing, because I have a baby picture of me with a mouth just like that. But if I understand correctly, that's more to do with lack of facial expression, which I still have, though I don't let my mouth hang open like I did when I was a baby, because my mother taught me not to do that, so it's changeable. Bony wrists, however. That's just silly.



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05 Jan 2011, 7:00 am

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As another has mentioned head size and a high palate can be very soft markers, as is a Moebius mouth in infants, which is a flat lower lip and highly arched upper lip when the face is relaxed.

This link is very interesting, and shows quite a few differences in infants who later are dx'd with ASD compared to NT infants. The sample size is pretty small, though, but it's still quite neat to read.


thanks for the link! they say something about persisting archaic reflexes, and my son has this one: you know how when you caress the upper lip of an infant with your finger he will absentmindedly open his mouth and try to suck? my son his 9, and if he's watching tv, i can still get him to react that way to it :D he will stick out his tongue and try to lick my finger or something ,not even realising it, i think it's pretty funny ...



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05 Jan 2011, 7:39 am

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so have you noticed how aspies have a diffrent look about them? I was talking to my friend jamal who is an NT about it and he said he thought it was just me but he saw another aspergers person who was also "kinda funny looking". what do you think he meant by this. he says we all seem to have what he calls a "durpface." im not sure how its spelt but i think we look more contented and happy, maybe a sign of our increased logical intellingence? thoughts?

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Why of course Autistics have physical deformities, we're aliens after all. These humans have to learn that more and more expats are visiting Earth, on tourism. It's no differnt than say a bunch of crazy teenagers on their gap year go to Thailand to goof off, or go to Villas Los Carbos, or Cancun. Ha ha ha. I have 3 Gonads, and 3 nipples, and 3 eyes, and claws.... yourselves?

Anyhow, the serious answer? would be the thousand mile stare, that peirces NTs souls... the Stotic smile etc.



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05 Jan 2011, 11:10 am

It's hard for me to have my mouth closed sometimes because of my sinus problem. I can get so blocked up in my nose and throat that I suffocate a little if I have my mouth closed, so sometimes I have to have it open. But I don't have it wide open - just enough to allow me to breathe through my mouth.

And I'm not going to go blaming my sinus problem on some mild neurological disorder. It's just me. My NT aunt has a sinus problem too, so there.


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