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10 Oct 2011, 5:06 pm

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I don't see good insight by someone with 3 deviations of IQ.


Did you really think IQ standed for Insightfulness Quotient? :P


Nice play.

From the high deviation folks: yes.

I've had friends in the 3rd & 4th. There is some muscle there.

There are exceptions :P


Well, exceptions are exceptional like my mom always told me. XD

More seriously, my old IQ might be inflated due to the practice affect plus the fact it was towards the very end of the revision cycle for the 3rd edition of the WAIS. I'm taking the newest edition (the 4th edition) and I haven't played with IQ tests in a long while, so the newest one will probably be "realistic". I'm guessing something like 130-140 based on my inferred performance so far, even though the proctor said I've been doing "really brilliant", whatever that means. She could've been just saying that to make me feel better.

Also, there are other important cognitive dimensions that characterize thinking, like latent inhibition, memory and ToM abilities. ToM, I realize, is quite important for what non-autistic folk like to consider "imagination", and I believe there is an imagination component to this nebulous concept of "insightfulness". It is also important for interpersonal and intrapersonal insight.

I could go onto describe memory, but I get the feeling it'd bore you.

So, in essence, IQ isn't everything.



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10 Oct 2011, 5:09 pm

Hate kind of makes everything ugly, so why are some people having fun with it?
That is the question.
Are they really having fun or is it fake? An answer to this would in every form be doubtful, so I keep wondering.



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10 Oct 2011, 5:13 pm

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I like to write on this site to read other experiences and share my own about having aspergers, but im finding it harder to relate to others on here in certain ways and i find it hard when 90% of the time whatever i say gets completely missunderstood or overly analysed and turns into something completely opposite to what i originally meant. People in real life do that that to me too. So i feel i dont belong even with fellow aspergians. And I wonder whats all the fighting about which i see with others.

I dont see the time for hate. Why when there is enough in the world.


I relate. Expressed better than I can.

Hate is a waste of life energy.


Unactualized hate is a waste of life energy.

Actualized hate is less of a waste, luckily, as it gets things done.

Just look at what Hitler did.



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10 Oct 2011, 5:20 pm

swbluto wrote:
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I don't see good insight by someone with 3 deviations of IQ.


Did you really think IQ standed for Insightfulness Quotient? :P


Nice play.

From the high deviation folks: yes.

I've had friends in the 3rd & 4th. There is some muscle there.

There are exceptions :P


Well, exceptions are exceptional like my mom always told me. XD

More seriously, my old IQ might be inflated due to the practice affect plus the fact it was towards the very end of the revision cycle for the 3rd edition of the WAIS. I'm taking the newest edition (the 4th edition) and I haven't played with IQ tests in a long while, so the newest one will probably be "realistic". I'm guessing something like 130-140 based on my inferred performance so far, even though the proctor said I've been doing "really brilliant", whatever that means. She could've been just saying that to make me feel better.

Also, there are other important cognitive dimensions that characterize thinking, like latent inhibition, memory and ToM abilities. ToM, I realize, is quite important for what non-autistic folk like to consider "imagination", and I believe there is an imagination component to this nebulous concept of "insightfulness". It is also important for interpersonal and intrapersonal insight.

I could go onto describe memory, but I get the feeling it'd bore you.

So, in essence, IQ isn't everything.


True, there are other abilities that are not captured on the test. ToM as you said, imagination, etc. I'll add in 'executive functioning IQ.' They all come to play in the personality.

Imagination is the Fountain Head of knowledge.

Wiki has a nice definition of IQ, it spans much more than the old metrics. It is much broader.

What about memory, sw ?



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10 Oct 2011, 5:36 pm

swbluto = troll?

I would say you do have a point, though, there's not too many like, semi-happy people here on WP.

Really, some threads on WP go about like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N5p8IXzNdc[/youtube]



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10 Oct 2011, 6:17 pm

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Not only that, this is taken out of context. This may very well be a sarcastic post or a hyperbole. We don't know what the context of the post is, and to put it out there as a serious representation of the beliefs of WP members is so far beyond stupid that I wonder why swbluto felt the need to post that trash here.

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Here's the link to the page of comments with this statement:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf82313-0-105.html



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10 Oct 2011, 6:40 pm

By making hate taboo we are only increasing it.

If you are looking to overcome your NT hate and need someone to talk to feel free to message me. We can do this together.



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10 Oct 2011, 9:41 pm

I do not hate nts. I get irritated sometimes (on this forum) because I spend a lot of energy trying to please them even though I try not to judge them on anything superficial.



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10 Oct 2011, 11:09 pm

I don't hate anyone. Some NT's might not understand me, but I don't hate them for it.



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01 Feb 2012, 5:49 pm

I'm swollen with hate, incited by those I know on and off the spectrum who are doing a lot better than me, who keep things harder for me, who tell ridiculous lies, and who disgrace me. Lately, I've been especially angry as I've had less opportunities to retreat into my fantasies.



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01 Feb 2012, 7:18 pm

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I'm not a hater, but I know nothing of the community here and I've only been here a day.


Nice to see how this guy turned out.


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01 Feb 2012, 8:38 pm

Most of my family is NT, and I love them. Most of my fellow workers are NT, and I do not hate them. I am quite tolerant of people. I respect people and expect to be respected back. I do not hate...so I do not fit the stereptype implied by the OP about the WrongPlanet.


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01 Feb 2012, 11:23 pm

I'm not sure I quite grasp the concept of a "hater". I have heard this term used and it seems to be an accusation against people who speak critically of some person or group. I have not yet encountered anyone or anything in this world which is above a bit of criticism. When that criticism is based on empirical evidence and rational arguments, the accusation of "hater" rings hollow. It is an ad hominem attack. Rather than address the substance of the criticisms, it is easier to simply call attention to the "negativity" of the person doing the criticizing.

I am of the opinion that most of the people here have legitimate complaints about how NT behavior is notably unhelpful to us and how there is a limited amount of tolerance for our differences. Many of us have been bullied. Many have had difficulties with relationships and employment. These are real issues. A certain amount of anger is quite understandable. Anytime people speak out of anger and hurt, it can cross lines and upset others. Perhaps this is where the notion of "hate" comes from.

I certainly don't "hate" anyone, NT or otherwise. Their behavior often makes me angry, but it's just their nature. My behavior often irritates them, but it's just my nature. If I expect people to excuse my aspieness, it is reasonable for me to also excuse their 'NT'ness. Still, I often express frustration at being in a small minority whose brains operate quite differently. It is not like NTs set out to make life difficult for aspies, but sometimes they do make life difficult for us, without intending it, and I think most of the legitimate criticism leveled at NTs is simply a lack of understanding and tolerance for those who are just 'different'.


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02 Feb 2012, 12:02 am

I think "hate" is too strong of a word for how I feel towards most NT's.....more like "frustration"
I only hate a few people my whole life....but once that line is crossed, there is no going back.
I am a very patient person and try to see the best in people even when they are not treating me right.
I believe most people have something to contribute to humanity....however dont know about that alien race which calls themselves Politicians.

For the most part, the people here are very supportive and kind. There are a few aspie supremists here, but they are not the majority of those on WP.
However I avoid PPR for health reasons... 8O

If you really think WP is full of haters....go to the Haven....some of the wisest and kindest advice I was ever given during a major family crisis was there. I was in awe of the outpouring of love by my fellow aspies.

Sorry, but the majority of us dont fit your stereotype of WP'ers.
You cant base a whole community on a few threads....thats like saying all African Americans are thieves because a group of them robbed a 7-11.

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02 Feb 2012, 4:59 am

I haven't been here very long but I doubt it has much to do with Asperger's. I've heard of this Asperger supremacy concept before, but if you really think about it, they are probably just fed up with being abused and bullied by other people, most of whom are problem NT's. The weak will always be oppressed, and at some point even good people will snap.

Personally, I do have a lot of hatred for all the dishonesty, lying, and manipulation I see in this world. The difficult part is not resorting to hypocrisy. It's not always so easy.

I guess I will have to take a look at the relationship section. I haven't looked at it yet.

I think people should be allowed to express their anger, but if they are being misogynistic or whatever, they should expect hate to be returned to them.

Most of all it has to do with the internet. If you judge an Aspie by their internet behavior, you are making a huge mistake.



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