Why would someone pretend to have aspergers?
Here are some of my favorites:
Creep
Weirdo
Witch/warlock
Afflicted/possessed
schizoprenic/schizoid
my all time favorite "Gay" (Why is different equated with being gay????)
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It beats the He** out of me why anyone would pretend to be autistic. Like I said, in childhood I lived with the very real fear of being sent to someplace like Penhurst! (Check out some of the Reality TV shows on the Paranormal for a history of that NIGHTMARE). Not to mention being CONSTANTLY bullied in Middle School & High School. Heck, I encounter bullying in the workplace, even now.
Trendy? I have been alone romantically most of my adult life, this thing HURTS.
Sincerely,
Matt
I couldn't agree more. It does hurt. That's why I was so desperate to find out what's really wrong with me, because I wanted it to be fixed. It would be extremely counter-productive for me to pick a condition that is unfixable (i.e., can't be managed with drugs), but nothing else fits the bill. I'd rather be schizophrenic or sociophobic or whatever. Then I could take my meds, get back out there and live a halfway normal life.
Btw, I've pretty much come to self-identify as a weirdo and a creep. I realized that when I read a post in a Second Life forum. People discussed online relationships and real-life meetups, and somebody posted something like "before you meet in RL, have a webcam chat and make sure that your online sweetheart is not some creep or weirdo". It was very hurtful to read that, because I realized that most people would consider me to be both. That's not something I'd pick to be cool or trendy.
It's pretty much the same situation around here. I think part of that is the desire of German medical professionals to simply fix their patients.
When I came across the English term "bedside manners", it puzzled me that we don't have a German expression for this. It's completely untranslatable because we don't even know the concept. Doctors aren't supposed to be nice and compassionate, we expect them to operate like car mechanics. The patient makes strange noises, let's pour some pharmaceutical oil into his engine and see if that does the trick.
Studies have found that German doctors listen to their patients for 7 to 15 seconds (not minutes, seconds), while simultaneously checking their medical history on their PC, before they interrupt the patient with questions or with their professional opinion. You may have to spend 4 or 5 hours in the waiting room, but you're in and out of the doctor's office in a matter of minutes carrying a prescription slip for an antipsychotic or an antidepressant. "See you in a week or two if you're still alive by then, now get back to work".
If there is no easy fix for something, German doctors are not very inclined to diagnose you with it. Our health insurances are cutting costs anywhere but at the pharmaceutical end of things. As a result, a long chat or a therapy session pays next to nothing. Medicine has pretty much become an assembly-line job.
I don't personally want or need any type of disability benefits because I'm able to work and drive. I just want to know for myself, and hopefully find a doc who will prescribe Valium for my occasional emergencies. I don't want to be on daily meds; but I know they are helpful for some people.
I'm on disability anyway, so no one can suspect it's my motive. I don't think getting the disability money helps me, I want to get actual professional help once in my life. It's sad that I need to fit the diagnosis in order to get better solutions than just be told to take medications.
I feel the same way, except that I think I've deserved my early retirement / disability pension. I've worked from age 16 to 31. I've often put in over-hours and came in on weekends, because I hate saying No to people. But working your behind off is not enough in this society. You have to fit in, act "normal" and be socially capable, otherwise you find yourself subject to ridicule and peer abuse that will eventually break you.
Now that society broke me, society has to pay for me. Some people break sooner than others, often before they get a chance to enter the work force, and society has to pay for them too. That's only fair, imho. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
Btw, I think it would help a lot if companies were more aware of and accommodating to people on the spectrum. We need a quiet working space without distractions and without too much social stress. I got lucky that my first job after my apprenticeship was just like that. I was the only typesetter / DTP guy at that place, so I had my own little office. If things had stayed that way, I might still be able to work. Of course I could still work from home, but there don't seem to be any legitimate work-at-home jobs in Germany that don't require social skills and social interaction.
on a site, full of people, who have troubles understanding expressions of others... a smiley that reeeeeeeeeally is off base... hmmm... conspiracy?
umm.... maybe? idk... I am going to "out on a limb" and assume that is a rhetorical question...
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I couldn't help... I should say the darn smiley is super creepy too but I try to ignore it so as not to be bugged. the conspiracy would be a smiley that would trigger discomfort on a site with the people who might be uncomfortable about it...
perhaps I am on my own "I think this is funny, but others might not" limb
all the same I got enjoyment out of it and since finding WP I am learning to consider that significant value
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Very high systematizing, low empathy, but moderate to high sympathy.
I do not experience cognitive dissonance reduction the way that other people do.
Professionally diagnosed in March 2018
Yeah. I have not taken SSI myself actually. My Crohn's alone justifies it, but somehow my family actually infected me with their bullheaded pride. Plus, I worry if I DO take it, & get better that it will equal no JOB.
I only wish their was a medication/treatment that could help me. While I don't disparage the Psych community, they have made lots of mistakes along the way. Basically, NO ONE actually understands the brain/mind. Complex is far too simple a term!
But when I think of what the religious folk have done to us in the past, I think I'll take some weird medicine that probably won't work!
Sincerely,
Matt
In my case, TRAITS of AS explain what I always thought was my "mysterious defect". I'm not self-DXed, I don't think most docs would DX me with it. Just reaffirm the ADHD diagnosis, but WrongPlanrt ha still explained a lot for me.
I'm already on Retirement Social Security, and my diagnosis (I've known since forever that I have Clinical Depression: just looking at that name instead of "Major Depressive Disorder" should tell you _how_ long) took me by surprise -- and finding out more about it, I got exactly the same reaction to what I'd always known, my "mysterious defect". Just so wonderful to know that it's just Asperger's, not something Evil in me that other people can "smell". I'd had an idea that the Depression might account for it, but it just didn't entirely fit, when I was looking at Depressive symptoms and characteristics. Learning about it also informs me to communications difficulties that I had never even _noticed_, so I can learn my way around them.
Exactly. I'm somewhere in between AS and ADHD I suppose, but never did fit in well with the ADHD DX, even as a kid. Loved to read for hours on end, had little trouble academically (but had temper tantrums, refused to cooperate in class, etc.)
I do have some traits of ADHD, though, like most people on the spectrum do. I lose everything I own about every 15 minutes (an exaggeration, but on some days it's truth lol) I am in my own world, I don't listen in conversation.
So maybe I'm a very mild Aspie or an NLVDer, either way, I REALLY also thought there was something just very wrong with me that I'd never figure out.
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AD/HD BAP.
HDTV...
Whatever.
This is not meant to be an attack against you, I'm merely thoroughly disillusioned with this medical profession. Perhaps it is different in other countries, but around here, many so-called professionals seem to have no idea what AS is....
At this point, it seems like a self-diagnosis is my best and only option. Not that I need a diagnosis for anything since I'm already on disability. I just want to know what's wrong with me, and AS is the only diagnosis that fits my symptoms and my life experience. It might seem less credible or authentic to some, but in the end online tests employ the same diagnostic criteria that specialists use (or would use if they had a clue about AS).
Maybe we should clarify a few terms here. In the US, a Psychiatrist is a person with an MD (Doctor of Medicine) degree, and then jumping through whatever hoops are needed for a specialty in Psychiatry. He/she can write prescriptions. A Psychologist has advanced degrees (not just bachelor's in Psychology, That person can't write prescriptions, though he or she may work with an MD or DO who can. A Therapist, (leaving out Musical Therapists, Physical Therapists, etc. Is most likely a Psychologist. I don't know whether the Therapist is also an MD or not. The Psychoanalyst is usually a Psychiatrist, I believe, with MD, but maybe not . He doesn't use prescriptions very much, anyway. He's been through Analysis himself, and gone through training. He's usually a disciple of Freud, Jung, or the later ones. He's the "mystic" of the group. A Neurologist, though I'm not entirely certain, is an MD who has specialized in Neurology, the physical nerves. They are good examples, all of them, of the proverb that "When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." Many of them, though, are better than that, and have learned each other's tools, when dealing with something cross-disciplined like Autism. Dr. Asperger was a Pediatrician, an MD specializing in children.
The lady who diagnosed me was a PhD Psychologist specializing in Autism. No one at my Mental Health Center felt qualified to diagnose Asperger's or HFA in an adult. Our symptoms are "purer" as a small child. She didn't give me many tests, it was mostly conversation about my history and memories, together with my psychologically sophisticated daughter about _her_ memories, while she was observing my behaviors and style of discourse.
When I came back to the center and gave the Psychiatrist there a copy of my diagnosis for his files (He's the person who writes the scripts for my antidepressants), he said "I can't do anything for you with this one". He's smart enough to know what he can't use his hammer for! My therapist there is very interested, and we incorporate the Asperger's frequently into our sessions. She's learning about it, probably more slowly than I am, because she has lots of other clients and two children of her own to take care of. I'm "Psychologically Sophisticated" enough to do the reading on my own. I didn't suspect it (my daughter did, but a family member can't diagnose, and she doesn't have the requisite degrees anyway) because I hadn't paid any attention to the field of Psychology for thirty years or so.
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Asperges me, Domine
But that's just under 700 dollars a month lmao, seems like a lot of trouble to go through. You could probably be more easily DXed with ADHD anyway which also makes you eligible for SSI.
Anyway, I think the DX might appeal to some who have a victimhood mentality but IMO this is true of mental illness in general ( I know that Asperger's isn't mental illness but it's a psychiatric diagnosis more so than a learning disability IMO).
So, there are types who will hop around and "try out" different diagnoses, I guess.
BUT, there are people here who are self-diagnosed and may really be on the spectrum, really hard to tell.
In my case, TRAITS of AS explain what I always thought was my "mysterious defect". I'm not self-DXed, I don't think most docs would DX me with it. Just reaffirm the ADHD diagnosis, but WrongPlanrt ha still explained a lot for me.
I totally disagree with your opinion that a DX of mental illness appeals to people because they have a victimhood mentality. Myself and other people I know do not want to be mentally ill. I don't see myself as a victim of my illness, it just happens to be a part of me.
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AQ: 42
EQ: 19 SQ: 58 Extreme Systemizing
Your Aspie score: 155 of 200
NT score: 51 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
I suppose that would be true, if I went around screaming about my condition in front of the entire Earth. But its really a secret. <Shussh!> I do not profit from this except in any talent(s) God gave me along with it.
Dance Therapy?! LOL Only way to get me on a dance floor is strong alcoholic beverages. Which does work, and I'm even less clumsy (if I don't over do it!) then.
Also not happening!
I suppose I couldn't blame the psychologists & counselors at LSU, there simply wasn't a lot of literature available on Autism in the mid 1980s. They were honestly trying, even if barking up a wrong tree!
Sincerely,
Matt
But that's just under 700 dollars a month lmao, seems like a lot of trouble to go through. You could probably be more easily DXed with ADHD anyway which also makes you eligible for SSI.
Anyway, I think the DX might appeal to some who have a victimhood mentality but IMO this is true of mental illness in general ( I know that Asperger's isn't mental illness but it's a psychiatric diagnosis more so than a learning disability IMO).
So, there are types who will hop around and "try out" different diagnoses, I guess.
BUT, there are people here who are self-diagnosed and may really be on the spectrum, really hard to tell.
In my case, TRAITS of AS explain what I always thought was my "mysterious defect". I'm not self-DXed, I don't think most docs would DX me with it. Just reaffirm the ADHD diagnosis, but WrongPlanrt ha still explained a lot for me.
I totally disagree with your opinion that a DX of mental illness appeals to people because they have a victimhood mentality. Myself and other people I know do not want to be mentally ill. I don't see myself as a victim of my illness, it just happens to be a part of me.
Do you know anything about BPD?
These people have been known to adopt many labels.
If I use your logic, hypochondriacs don't exist because there are actually people who are ill.
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AD/HD BAP.
HDTV...
Whatever.
Now people diagnose themselves because they are too lazy to be social.
This is very unfortunate for us people that really do have aspergers.
The answer is social laziness and sympathy.
+1 - I totally agree. It's become rather trendy for some slackers to use it as an excuse to slack even more.
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I truly wish that I had had ballet/tap classes as my daughter did, starting age 4. I believe that it _would_ have been therapeutic, and I might, subject to the discipline of _controlled_ motion and practice, have been able to do teen dancing without looking ridiculous, would have been less clumsy, and might have had a graceful natural walk instead of a mechanical one.
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Asperges me, Domine