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26 Nov 2012, 2:38 am

Rascal77s wrote:

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The largest cause of inflated IQs is online 'IQ tests'.

May I ask... What's the difference between an online test and a "real" one?

The short version. A real one measures more than just the answers you get right. It's meant as a tool for determining a persons strengths and weaknesses. The actual IQ score that everyone raves about is next to meaningless. Online IQ test measure the meaningless score only and the number they generate has an unknown correlation to any other IQ test. Real IQ tests have been around for almost a century and have sampled a broad spectrum of the general population. Online IQ tests have been around for a few years and measure people who are interested in IQ. Real IQ tests can not be repeated over and over to improve your score. Online test..... you get the idea.

IQ tests are useful, FSIQ scores (or their approximations) are not.

There is one online test that is normed against one of the standard tests - I forget whether it's WAIS or Stanford-Binet. You can't conclude your actual IQ from that test, but if you do well on it, you'll probably do well on the test it's normed against. It also only allows you to take the test once per IP address, I think.

It also provides subscores.

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26 Nov 2012, 2:44 am

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A person with severe autistic traits and high intelligence can be higher functioning than a person with milder autistic traits and lower intelligence, that was the point in the thread about the DSM-5 that led to the discussion of intelligence and autism.

That is not necessarily true in every case,, however. And research I've read indicates that intelligence is not a good measure of function:

http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/news/ ... -in-autism

One thing I found interesting in that article was that for autistic children, social skills were a stronger indicator of academic success than IQ scores.

I'm not trying to say it never happens, but more that it's not something that one can rely upon.

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26 Nov 2012, 2:53 am

Verdandi wrote:

Rascal77s wrote:

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The largest cause of inflated IQs is online 'IQ tests'.

May I ask... What's the difference between an online test and a "real" one?

But that's the point. One out of 1000. It's also probably expensive.

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26 Nov 2012, 2:55 am

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But that's the point. One out of 1000. It's also probably expensive.

It's actually free to take.

I would never actually recommend it as a reliable indicator of one's actual IQ, but it does exist.

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26 Nov 2012, 3:09 am

Verdandi wrote:

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But that's the point. One out of 1000. It's also probably expensive.

It's actually free to take.

I would never actually recommend it as a reliable indicator of one's actual IQ, but it does exist.

Could you post a link? Just for fun.

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26 Nov 2012, 3:17 am

CocoNuts wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

Rascal77s wrote:

But that's the point. One out of 1000. It's also probably expensive.

It's actually free to take.

I would never actually recommend it as a reliable indicator of one's actual IQ, but it does exist.

Could you post a link? Just for fun.

Sure.

http://www.intelligencetest.com/

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26 Nov 2012, 8:11 am

Rascal77s wrote:

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The largest cause of inflated IQs is online 'IQ tests'.

May I ask... What's the difference between an online test and a "real" one?

n stepping and a few other excercises have been shown to improve visual thinking in a measurable way,

memory is easily trained, social and language centers also evolve and learnas we live.

intelligence isnt as static as people believed in the 80'ies.

to me it only means they are worth less, even professional iq tests are self referential.

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26 Nov 2012, 8:57 am

Verdandi wrote:

CocoNuts wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

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But that's the point. One out of 1000. It's also probably expensive.

It's actually free to take.

I would never actually recommend it as a reliable indicator of one's actual IQ, but it does exist.

Could you post a link? Just for fun.

Sure.

http://www.intelligencetest.com/

Thank you.

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26 Nov 2012, 3:10 pm

Verdandi wrote:

btbnnyr wrote:

A person with severe autistic traits and high intelligence can be higher functioning than a person with milder autistic traits and lower intelligence, that was the point in the thread about the DSM-5 that led to the discussion of intelligence and autism.

That is not necessarily true in every case,, however. And research I've read indicates that intelligence is not a good measure of function:

http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/news/ ... -in-autism

In my opinion btbnnyr isn’t here stating a direct or necessary causality between IQ and functionality. She is merely saying that a person with severe traits, but with higher cognitive capacities, can function at times better than a person with less severe traits and less cognitive abilities. Actually btbnnyr’s description of her evolvement from severely affected to higher functioning in itself underlines the fact that severity in autism isn’t a measure of cognitive ability. A severely affected person (thus with an immeasurable IQ) can end up being a high functioning person (with a measurable and possibly high IQ). We can assume that “the intelligence” of the person didn’t change on the way, but rather started to exist in a comprehendible and measurable frame. The measurability of the IQ was also the main point in the article you linked.

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One thing I found interesting in that article was that for autistic children, social skills were a stronger indicator of academic success than IQ scores.

I'm not trying to say it never happens, but more that it's not something that one can rely upon.

Well, this is not even surprising. It is the social domain that rules the world.

But to comfort you all: If we weren’t as dumb as we are, we’d have nothing to prove - least our ingenuity.

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26 Nov 2012, 3:18 pm

I've got no time for IQ as an objective measurement of intelligence

People who boast about their high IQ are invariably less intelligent than they like to think they are.

In my opinion intelligence is all about the doing not the telling

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26 Nov 2012, 4:43 pm

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In my opinion btbnnyr isn’t here stating a direct or necessary causality between IQ and functionality. She is merely saying that a person with severe traits, but with higher cognitive capacities, can function at times better than a person with less severe traits and less cognitive abilities. Actually btbnnyr’s description of her evolvement from severely affected to higher functioning in itself underlines the fact that severity in autism isn’t a measure of cognitive ability. A severely affected person (thus with an immeasurable IQ) can end up being a high functioning person (with a measurable and possibly high IQ). We can assume that “the intelligence” of the person didn’t change on the way, but rather started to exist in a comprehendible and measurable frame. The measurability of the IQ was also the main point in the article you linked.

Yes, I am saying that severe autistic traits and high intelligence can lead to high functioning by adolescence or adulthood. In other words, without high intelligence, I would have been low functioning for sure. I think that how my parents raised me also made me high functioning. My mother programmed me like a robot when I was little, and neither of my parents care about social interaction. Communication was also unnecessary. And both of my parents are themselves rigid, so their traits fit my traits. They basically allowed me to do whatever I wanted instead of trying to impose some alien system upon me to negatively affect my development.

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26 Nov 2012, 4:57 pm

I don't even care what my IQ is. I just use what I've got. I may not be the most intellegent person but I am not as stupid as people think I am. I think I'm just slightly underaverage though, because all the other kids at school were always ahead of me.

I would love to be Lisa Simpson intellegent, but I'm not. My brain just cannot store that kind of information, only very basic information. It's too busy storing information on how to flirt with bus-drivers.

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26 Nov 2012, 6:48 pm

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I do not care what your IQ is either, but I notice that your posts have a value.
When I recall it correctly you say about yourself that you have mild AS resulting in social anxiety.
I think you should start writing a blog about that, because there can be many girls and women (maybe even not diagnosed) out there having a similar set of issues and it would be very benefical for them reading about you experiences, as you explain them in a very clear and direct way.
There can be a lot of girls and women feeling social anxiety from actually having a mild AS, but who do not even know it and your experience can be of great value for them.

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26 Nov 2012, 8:49 pm

VisInsita wrote:

That certainly clarifies her post for me. This all makes sense.

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Well, this is not even surprising. It is the social domain that rules the world.

It's not surprising in the least. I found it interesting because it confirmed my assumptions.

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But to comfort you all: If we weren’t as dumb as we are, we’d have nothing to prove - least our ingenuity.

Heh.

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26 Nov 2012, 8:52 pm

btbnnyr wrote:

In the study I linked, intelligence wasn't directly correlated with improvements in functioning like this as a general thing. It probably was for some, but not all.

It sounds like your parents were really good for you, too, which certainly helped significantly.

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26 Nov 2012, 9:26 pm

Verdandi wrote:

Sure.

http://www.intelligencetest.com/

Did you try this thing to see how it compares to one of the traditional tests?

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