My new theory on self diagnosed autistics

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NowhereWoman
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27 Oct 2015, 3:33 pm

HisShadowX wrote:

Note I said I wouldn't respond but I'll use this as my one and only example.

In the beginning of the thread and throughout I have responded to others I have disagreed with them but in a way we agreed to disagree.

Comments like this are apart of the wolf pack mentality notice the reply in which it puts words in my mouth. Did I ever say these things and have I not replied to others I have disagreed with here well debating the person? Yes.

But what I won't do is repond back to the pack which puts words in my mouth and others who dare even to question.

Yes, you say "agree to disagree" followed by opposite POV-dismissing comments on "wolf pack mentality" and diagnoses being "handed out like candy" and mention how you're being "attacked" (because the person disagrees with you).

Kind of negates the whole "agree to disagree" thing. If you agree to disagree, then do so. If you're adding these emotional and unfounded assertions, then you're not actually agreeing to disagree at all. In order to be consistent and make sense it should really be one or the other. By combining the two, your responses are confusing and self-contradictory. Just my $.02.

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27 Oct 2015, 3:42 pm

btbnnyr wrote:

I think the OP's ideas have some merit, they seem plausible and possible to me.
I wouldn't say they apply to all people who self-diagnose with autism, but they probably do to some.

It's strange in my opinion that some people get berated for their opinions/theories and other people don't.

I actually agree with this poster here.

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27 Oct 2015, 3:48 pm

babybird wrote:

btbnnyr wrote:

I think the OP's ideas have some merit, they seem plausible and possible to me.
I wouldn't say they apply to all people who self-diagnose with autism, but they probably do to some.

It's strange in my opinion that some people get berated for their opinions/theories and other people don't.

I actually agree with this poster here.

As far as I've seen on here, both sides of the equation have been berated, or not, at different times, and the same person might be taken to task, or not, at different times.

I don't feel it's necessarily the specific person that causes either the berating or the support, but rather, the subject and probably much more importantly, how it is presented. Of course, if a given person consistently presents things in a way that is going to come off as button-pushing overall (whether that reaction is deserved or not, to be fair), that person may be seen to be taken to task more often.

Just my observation.

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27 Oct 2015, 3:59 pm

Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to just ignore, walk away and put your time into something more constructive.

To me all this seems very negative. Not only the subject matter but the fact that it's all been said before and it just goes round and round in circles.

There are so many genuine threads on this site that are made by people who need genuine help and they get ignored, I see them all the time. they just get washed away with the tide and it's something I can't understand.

I always thought this was a support site but there are people going without support because too much time is wasted over silly little threads put together by armchair theorists (no offense OP).

And might I say, I am not innocent in this either.

I know and understand that people do feel the need to stick up for themselves, but what good is it doing when you are just beating the same drum constantly. All you'll give yourself is a headache.

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27 Oct 2015, 4:09 pm

babybird wrote:

Well OP...I can see you have given this much thought.

Not too sure how far it will get you though, especially on a site where you are bound to come up against quite a bit of hostility.

But good luck anyway.

Yes sometimes posting hostile thread will get a more hostile than positive response.

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27 Oct 2015, 4:14 pm

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I do hope the self-diagnosed folks will feel comfortable staying. I've been away from WP for a while, and the 'witch hunt' against people without a formal diagnosis was definitely a factor.

Even those of us who have been diagnosed face that sort of skepticism from people we know in real life, so seeing it here on WP is disheartening, and defeats the purpose of a place where people are supposed to understand our struggles.

What we all have in common is that we are struggling to function as best we can, in a world that doesn't understand our challenges, and pushes us to the utter limit of our coping skills.

For some people, that limit includes a job, marriage, and raising kids - something I couldn't even dream of achieving - but just because I am 'more dysfunctional' doesn't make their struggles any less valid. If ASD symptoms are causing them a high level of stress in their everyday lives, then we of all people should be supportive, since we all understand how that feels.

Best post on this site in a long time.

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27 Oct 2015, 4:16 pm

babybird wrote:

It seems like threads like this kind discourage support, via painting self diagnosed and undiagnosed as posers, attention seekers or must have some personality disorder or other psychological disorder making them think they have aspergers. Not to mention it kind of seems like what the OP refers to as pack mentality is really peoples refusal to single out the 'self diagnosed' to be made to feel unwelcome.

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27 Oct 2015, 4:18 pm

PS every single diagnosed autistic on this forum was at some point not diagnosed. At some point someone saw the signs and sent them off to be diagnosed. More than likely it was a teacher and/or a parent who is not allowed to officially diagnose. To think that just because someone doesn't have the official diagnosis, they must not be autistic is like saying that all those who suspected every single diagnosed autistic here as being on the spectrum was wrong and making up the signs, obviously not true.

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27 Oct 2015, 4:21 pm

whatamess wrote:

At some point someone saw the signs and sent them off to be diagnosed. More than likely it was a teacher and/or a parent who is not allowed to officially diagnose.

Wasn't for me. It was a psychiatrist who sent me off.

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27 Oct 2015, 4:23 pm

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whatamess wrote:

At some point someone saw the signs and sent them off to be diagnosed. More than likely it was a teacher and/or a parent who is not allowed to officially diagnose.

Wasn't for me. It was a psychiatrist who sent me off.

So you went to a psychiatrist for something else I assume and they just diagnosed you? Interesting. I guess not everyone goes to psychiatrists, etc. for me to think that is how most are diagnosed. I know many people who struggle in life, etc. and never make it to a psychiatrist's office, but it's interesting that you were able to see something was not right and went to a psychiatrist...

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27 Oct 2015, 4:25 pm

whatamess wrote:

iliketrees wrote:

whatamess wrote:

At some point someone saw the signs and sent them off to be diagnosed. More than likely it was a teacher and/or a parent who is not allowed to officially diagnose.

Wasn't for me. It was a psychiatrist who sent me off.

Nope. I didn't want to. It's a long story and off topic, you can PM me if you're interested.

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27 Oct 2015, 4:27 pm

iliketrees wrote:

whatamess wrote:

At some point someone saw the signs and sent them off to be diagnosed. More than likely it was a teacher and/or a parent who is not allowed to officially diagnose.

Wasn't for me. It was a psychiatrist who sent me off.

In my case it was my sister who first mentioned it...then I looked further into it. And well even with other conditions its not unheard of that someone learns they have a condition before getting a professional diagnoses. In fact if one didn't think anything was wrong why'd they be going for a diagnoses in the first place?

I do find it rather silly that sometimes people who profess to be open minded and immune to things like pack mentality heavily criticize people for coming to conclusions themselves about things like if they maybe have autism.

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27 Oct 2015, 4:31 pm

^^Yes and I do know what you are saying. Sweetleaf^^

I have friends on this site who are self diagnosed and sometimes I feel that they display more of a presence of Aspergers than me.

I actually apologise for inferring that you/or participants of this thread are hostile. Hostile is not the correct term. You are fighting for what you believe to be right. But are you doing what is right for yourself or are you playing into the hands of the OP (because he wants his theory to be heard as all theorists do) who also believes he is right?

At the end of the day there will be no open winner. The thread will end and another similar one will come along and it all starts again.

It's a sheer waste.

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27 Oct 2015, 4:36 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

I do find it rather silly that sometimes people who profess to be open minded and immune to things like pack mentality heavily criticize people for coming to conclusions themselves about things like if they maybe have autism.

Was this directed at me?

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27 Oct 2015, 4:47 pm

whatamess wrote:

There is a difference between someone noticing the signs and going to get professional treatment to a person who with no professional is needed and they 'know' they are autistic and no one can tell them differently.

A person with post traumatic stress can easily wonder aimlessly latching onto a group that accepts them but does that mean that person is autistic?

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27 Oct 2015, 4:50 pm

And are you going to get you theory publicized one day do you think or is it just something you are going to use to beat people around the heads with when you feel the need?

Just a question because I'm curious.

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