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05 Apr 2018, 1:28 pm

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They readily form gangs to do things like cheating in school, or on expense accounts, etc. and still consider themselves honest, because they are about average in the group.


Do you think NT's have a different moral code ?


I am still getting surprised by their moral pliability.


Do you think morals relate to where you sit on the spectrum


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How they "fight" as closely associated people. Sometimes they swear at each other, but when I swear at people they tell me I'm rude or get extremely offended. I can't tell if swearing at someone means being friendly or means aggression. Why doesn't that work? Also, touching. Why is it that the more you get to know someone the more they start touching me NON STOP. I didn't say talking to the person TWICE suddenly means my entire body is fully accessible to everyone and everything.

I couldn't utter a single swear word until I hit my mid 20's. Now I overuse it. Think I am just giving up and going back to being myself (the weirdo) Oh huh touching. Yeah, neurotypicals just assume you want to be touched like the majority do. Then react like you are horrible if you inform them 'not without permission' or recoil from it. Tell me I am . "over reacting" but they don't feel clothes horrid texture or "sunburn feeling" from increased stress like I do.


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05 Apr 2018, 1:40 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
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Dear_one wrote:

They readily form gangs to do things like cheating in school, or on expense accounts, etc. and still consider themselves honest, because they are about average in the group.


Do you think NT's have a different moral code ?


I am still getting surprised by their moral pliability.


Do you think morals relate to where you sit on the spectrum


People have differing abilities to act morally, and of course there are furious disagreements about which are the Children of Light, so there's a lot of averaging to be done. Some Aspies are barely able to act, morally or otherwise, while others, usually celebrated for science, also become a moral inspiration.



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05 Apr 2018, 1:46 pm

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1. Automatic deference to authority. A casual familiarity with how the world works should make it obvious that a person's job title or position means little in terms of intelligence or competence. If you want my respect, earn it.

2. Obsession with money. To the point that anyone who has managed to make a lot of it is regarded as a universal wise man, competent to speak on all topics. If Elon Musk said that we should expect a Venusian invasion within the next five years, newspapers would report it seriously and half the people who read it would panic.

3. Extreme concern with appearance, including brand of clothes, car, etc., and generally being acceptable to people they don't even know.

4. Not meaning what they say or saying what they mean, and expecting the same from me. If you want something from me, just tell me clearly. And don't assume my words have some hidden meaning.

5. Casual, easy lying.



Yup! Great points.

This discussion is for general standout points about NTs as a whole obviously - not one particular NT who happens to be a friend...


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05 Apr 2018, 2:19 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
Dear_one wrote:

They readily form gangs to do things like cheating in school, or on expense accounts, etc. and still consider themselves honest, because they are about average in the group.


Do you think NT's have a different moral code ?


NT moral code is : appear beautiful, rich, successful and powerful

Autism moral code is : case by case personal judgement on actions and consequences, often including mutual/global interest.

Other moral codes are only beliefs about what is socially acceptable



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05 Apr 2018, 3:34 pm

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Do you think morals relate to where you sit on the spectrum

AFAIK most scientists agree that Autistics are "pathologically honest". However, many things look different from different perspectives. And from this side of the wall, NTs look like pathological liars.



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05 Apr 2018, 4:22 pm

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Do you think morals relate to where you sit on the spectrum

AFAIK most scientists agree that Autistics are "pathologically honest". However, many things look different from different perspectives. And from this side of the wall, NTs look like pathological liars.


I suppose you're talking about the type of lies that some people on the spectrum find stupid and pointless , in my experience the severity of the lie can indicate a disorder. IMO some people on the spectrum don't see disorders in NT's and any past bad experience with an NT is blamed on them being NT not on any other factor.
Bear in mind that I have only recently been diagnosed and didn't even hear the word NT until I joined here so my experiences are based on that. I'm not into NT bashing or any 'group' bashing ( unless they are sick f***s ) but have no problem with bashing one person.


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05 Apr 2018, 4:50 pm

I myself have trouble with eye contact, and find it odd that NTs find it easy or natural. To me, it just seems that staring into someone's eyes seems threatening.
(I know, I'm weird.)



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05 Apr 2018, 5:48 pm

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I myself have trouble with eye contact, and find it odd that NTs find it easy or natural. To me, it just seems that staring into someone's eyes seems threatening.
(I know, I'm weird.)


I think you may be in the majority here having trouble with eye contact , are you calling us weird :lol: ( joke )


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05 Apr 2018, 5:55 pm

I have never got why people make big assumptions.


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05 Apr 2018, 6:11 pm

Its not that they lie so much. Its that the assume that you lie to. you're supposed to be (a)delighted when they slander you by implying you're a liar, and (b) and to be delighted that they failed to get the truth that you were really trying (apparently in vain) to convey, and (c) don't like it when you ....beat them into bloody pulp for being deaf, stupid, and for slandering you.

The last especially just doesn't compute. If you're gonna venture a guess that the person you're speaking to is lying then the gambling risk is all on you. If you guess right that the person you are talking too is lying then that person (even I) might be happy, and would laugh about it. But if you guess wrong and the person is NOT lying then...that person is perfectly justified in knocking a few of your teeth out...I would think, and you have no right to complain about it.



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05 Apr 2018, 6:13 pm

Agreed! Even the implication that you are NOT lying and in fact the other person lied about you, peeves them off. I can’t even state I’m not lying in my honest factual account of the REALITY when I’m slandered? @ss@ts!


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05 Apr 2018, 6:26 pm

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That it's okay to hate teenagers because they're to blame for all the world's problems or whatever, but if you don't like little kids then you must be a completely evil person like Miss Trunchbull from Matilda.


accurate. i dont like children that much. i dont hate them but i dont get any warm fuzzy feeling. i do like babies/toddlers because they can't speak and remind me of puppies. children tend to be quite judgmental because they believe what society tells them and take things literally (as in beliefs not syntax) so i don't rly like interacting with them unless they are smart or weird. i'll always relate to the underdog.


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05 Apr 2018, 7:19 pm

Their constant need to be competitive in every aspect of their lives

Certain families are always the center of attention at churches, schools, work places, etc...while others are ignored

When they deny all the social games that they and others are playing



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05 Apr 2018, 7:26 pm

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When they deny all the social games that they and others are playing


I know some do it for kicks but do all NT's know they are playing social games or is it just part of their makeup and instinctual


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05 Apr 2018, 7:38 pm

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When they deny all the social games that they and others are playing


I know some do it for kicks but do all NT's know they are playing social games or is it just part of their makeup and instinctual


I think they have a general sense of winning or losing, but little conscious awareness of how they compete. In a short period of supernatural clarity, due to a conversation I'd been warned about. I noticed that our innocuous-seeming banter actually carried four sub-channels of status messages hidden in various nuances.
I knew a schizophenic woman, and I noticed that her mother often made ambiguous statements. One would expect a daughter to guess right over 50% of the time, but my friend was Always wrong. Mother obviously did much switching.
Another time, I sat between two married friends in a pickup truck while they argued. Whatever either one said, the other would find a way to take it the wrong way. They kept this up for almost an hour of brief exchanges.