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06 Jun 2016, 3:55 am

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About 99% of the world's population is "NT". So if you hate NT's, you basically hate everyone on Earth.
Yeah ... but at least now I have an excuse! :twisted:


Lol exactly.



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06 Jun 2016, 2:02 pm

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'Tis agreed by Consensus-Opinion that Aspies have done more to Improve/Advance Civilisation/Society than any NT ever has. Talking about things like inventions, break-through discoveries, basically being like a distinction in Ancient Chinese Wisdom : Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life... here, NTs would be more like the invention-distributors, whilst HFAs are more like the inventors.

When you see those lists of famous possible aspies then it's worth noting that they do not contain every person who has ever done something good in society. The reason why aspies have an advantage in that field is because we are obsessive. To quote Einstein: "it's not that I'm so smart, I just stay with problems longer".

Even if all allistic people were somehow inferior to us that would not be any excuse to hate them. In reality though, they are the ones running society while the majority of aspies struggle to find jobs and form relationships. The presence or lack of an autism diagnosis does not make a person more or less deserving of basic respect, you should only judge people individually after getting to know them.


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10 Jun 2016, 5:38 pm

It's also possible to learn a lot about people from the company they keep.

It's only fair, IMO, to judge people as a group by the choices that they make, rather than by the circumstances of their birth such as: neurological status, ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, etc. However, even judging a group of people on the basis of their apparent choices has pitfalls. Choice implies consciousness, and everyone seems to do an awful lot of things unconsciously, myself included.

I think the vitriol comes from the social psychology phenomenon known as ingroup outgroup bias. Once you understand it, you'll see it everywhere. Even a bunch of fairly homogeneous people who are publicly divided into two groups by the flip of a coin will have a higher opinion of the group into which they know they were randomly placed.

Funny how autistic people manage to retain this, even if they lack a lot of other basic social responses.


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10 Jun 2016, 10:33 pm

Sick of the games people play.



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11 Jun 2016, 12:11 am

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Sick of the games people play.

Allistic people probably see my insistence on routine as some silly game too, as well as many more of my autistic traits. Many people tolerate them though, so I figure I owe it to them to do the same.


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11 Jun 2016, 3:38 pm

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It's not surprising our wide eurodiverse membership gets a bit down on NTs when NT members come here to post hateful stuff - though fortunately that's not too common.

What is common is the constant assumption from the "normal majority" planet that NT ways are always and automatically the right way to do or understand something, while ASD ways and perspectives are automatically wrong/inferior/less valid which is based on the foundation assumption of NT superiority in all ways and things. Perhaps that's what most gets backs up here - it's not only the arrogance of the naturally superior NT view in itself, but the blindness of most NTs to the fact that they even hold such dominating and dehumanising opinions, which are then bandied about so often as if they were "just facts of life" that "everyone knows".

The neurodiverse get fed up often with being targets of NT prejudices and myths.


Well said: thank you for sharing!


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13 Jun 2016, 4:09 pm

I personally shed little if any hatred on Neurotypicals and while some piss me off a vast majority of my friends and family are NTs.


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13 Jun 2016, 4:44 pm

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I personally shed little if any hatred on Neurotypicals and while some piss me off a vast majority of my friends and family are NTs.


Yes, a good point. It is easy to be angry with them living in a world designed for them and not you. But, I always think of the ones who have been very important in my life. Plus, almost everyone here loves culture created by NTs, so it's pretty pointless to complain.



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14 Jun 2016, 12:44 pm

Most of the time, I say good things about them. Once in a while while in a clash of cultures with my mum, I'll say something snide. I've been working on keeping a filter about the whole thing here on WP.


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14 Jun 2016, 2:34 pm

I don't hate NTs. I'm half-NT myself. I just hate bullies and jerks, which can be of any neurology, not just NTs. But a lot of non-NTs have challenges throughout their lives, be it emotional, intellectual, social, pathalogical, or multiple of these, and so they know more about mental challenges so often become more tolerant and open-minded, whereas the majority of NTs only care about social norms and so can more likely be jerks if they are not happy with people that are outside their expected standards.

But not all NTs are like that. Lots are understanding and tolerant. NTs are just people, just like non-NTs. They are not perfect.


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14 Jun 2016, 4:09 pm

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I don't hate NTs. I'm half-NT myself. I just hate bullies and jerks, which can be of any neurology, not just NTs. But a lot of non-NTs have challenges throughout their lives, be it emotional, intellectual, social, pathalogical, or multiple of these, and so they know more about mental challenges so often become more tolerant and open-minded, whereas the majority of NTs only care about social norms and so can more likely be jerks if they are not happy with people that are outside their expected standards.

But not all NTs are like that. Lots are understanding and tolerant. NTs are just people, just like non-NTs. They are not perfect.


How can a person be "half NT"? Its a condition. Not a race, or ethnicity.



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14 Jun 2016, 4:19 pm

I think she meant that she seems nt or she does not suffer many symptoms.


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14 Jun 2016, 4:53 pm

Well I FEEL half-NT.


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14 Jun 2016, 5:09 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
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I don't hate NTs. I'm half-NT myself. I just hate bullies and jerks, which can be of any neurology, not just NTs. But a lot of non-NTs have challenges throughout their lives, be it emotional, intellectual, social, pathalogical, or multiple of these, and so they know more about mental challenges so often become more tolerant and open-minded, whereas the majority of NTs only care about social norms and so can more likely be jerks if they are not happy with people that are outside their expected standards.

But not all NTs are like that. Lots are understanding and tolerant. NTs are just people, just like non-NTs. They are not perfect.


How can a person be "half NT"? Its a condition. Not a race, or ethnicity.



Some people have many NT symptoms but yet they are not NT because of their own set of problems (mental or neurological or psychotic or mood disorder) that are not typical for an NT. Maybe that is what she means.


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