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17 Nov 2016, 1:58 pm

Dr.Pepper wrote:
They will probably thank you for writing and put you on their solicitation list for donations.

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17 Nov 2016, 2:00 pm

Assuming that you have the option to change your mental status, or some physical characteristic, I see it as a matter of personal preference.

It's like rejecting a make of car or haircare product.



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17 Nov 2016, 2:10 pm

I find that people intentionally de-personalize, take nootropics, and admire the skills of savantish people.

Maybe, there's a cure for being typical.

Or, maybe, people can selectively go back-and-forth, between whichever mode of operation, seeing as how it is just a choice.



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17 Nov 2016, 2:25 pm

Well yeah this hypothetical cure is supposed to be a choice.

(If in the hypothesis, the cure is not a choice, you're going to get the cure no matter what, so there's really nothing to discuss along these lines is there?)

"Dear so-in-so, I don't want or need a cure for the most wonderful thing in the world to me".

So-in-so: "Fine, you're not who we're trying to help in the first place".

Edit: for clarity.



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17 Nov 2016, 2:36 pm

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you're going to get it no matter what


I believe that those words can be taken in different ways.

Do you mean to say that someone would get autism, no matter what?

Would they get the cure, no matter what?

Or, did you mean something altogether different?



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17 Nov 2016, 2:42 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
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you're going to get it no matter what


I believe that those words can be taken in different ways.

Do you mean to say that someone would get autism, no matter what?

Would they get the cure, no matter what?

Or, did you mean something altogether different?


I mean a hypothetical situation where the cure was forced on everyone with ASD. A person's choice to take it or not wouldn't exist. Therefore there'd be nothing to discuss regarding choice.



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17 Nov 2016, 3:14 pm

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@katy_rome , @CockneyRebel , @Spiderpig , and @ arachnids i know its still november but i want to wish you all an ACCEPTING and LOVING (of yourselves, Your autism, and the incredible persons it makes you) neurodiverse Holiday season. Heres a christmas ornament of stimtastic, auti and asper amazing happiness. Im sending it your way. Happy holdiay, or merry christmas or happy whatever you celebrate come this time of year! Your support means the world!! Again dont listen to those who dont get it. Educate those who are willing to listen and not as set in their thoughts as some, spread my letter to who ever will read it (just give me the credit ;) ) and have an awesome time with friends and family or whoever your spending it with even if its just yourself! My thoughts and warm wishes are sent to you! :heart: :heart: :D :D

https://rlv.zcache.co.uk/neurodiversity ... vr_324.jpg :santa: :santa: :santa: :santa: :sunny:


Remember everyone; you're loved, accepted and a wonderful person as long as you agree with waterstar0610! Otherwise, you're a bad person and have something wrong with you and should probably be locked up and tortured until you do! :mrgreen:

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If you have no need or desire for a cure, I would gladly stand by you and fight with you against anyone that would try to force one on you. But, at the same time, any research that searches for a cure (which I want for myself) also has the potential to bring more understanding of autism and therefore autistics (which I want for everyone).

I hope you, and everyone on Wrong Planet, has a very happy holiday. :heart: :santa: :rendeer:


Thanks, you too! I appreciate your understanding as well.

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I do have some intellectual shortcomings but also have some very good abilities as well but found that I have significant difficulty making use of those abilities. Consequently even though I'm now able to work my outook on life in general is not much improved over yours Ezra. I will likely never be able to do the things I really want to do due to not having the needed supports nor having sufficient personal relationships with those most likely able to help me accomplish them.


This resonates deeply with me, I can absolutely relate. Whenever I have wanted something out of life, I mean really wanted something my ASD (not comorbids, I can deal with those; ASD itself) has had some serious impact on that; typically negative. Not having the right supports is a huge deal, and even if I did I've got marked impairments in the very areas I most need to achieve the goals I have in life. It's a bit of a cruel cosmic joke. :P

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I find that people intentionally de-personalize, take nootropics, and admire the skills of savantish people.

Maybe, there's a cure for being typical.

Or, maybe, people can selectively go back-and-forth, between whichever mode of operation, seeing as how it is just a choice.


I wish! :lol: I'd be all NT, all the time. f**k this noise! Other people want it? great, they can have it.

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I mean a hypothetical situation where the cure was forced on everyone with ASD. A person's choice to take it or not wouldn't exist. Therefore there'd be nothing to discuss regarding choice.


People around here are fond of their “chicken little” scenarios, though.


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17 Nov 2016, 3:31 pm

EzraS wrote:
I'm going to be perfectly blunt here.

I have serious autism. It was something picked up on almost immediately after I was born and fully diagnosed before I was three. I have spent my entire life in special care and in special schools for autism.

To me a lot of times it seems like from my perspective, people talk about autism like someone slightly hard of hearing talking about being deaf. Or like someone with astigmatism talking about being blind.

For them autism seems more like a novelty, rather than what's supposed to be; which is a debilitating neurological disorder. AJisHere is someone I relate to very well. Others here I barely relate to, if at all. That doesn't mean I don't value them as members of WP. But I do not think they suffer from any form of serious autism and don't have a genuine grasp on what that's like. For them it seems more to be an aspect of their personality than the awful disability that I suffer from greatly daily.

That's medically suffer neurologically. Not suffering because I don't have the right attitude or whatever. That's nonsense.

Of course you are entitled to your beliefs, Ezra.

I don't think it's right for you to tell people that they don't have "serious autism", like it's "supposed" to be. You know very little about the difficulties that other people have as individuals, and I don't think policing who gets to have an opinion gets you anywhere. This very thread contains people who have reported similar experiences to you who have spoken against a cure. Several high-profile autistic self-advocates are non-verbal autistics who need round-the-clock care but are still anti-cure.

I also think you're misrepresenting the social model. It doesn't say that autism only impairs you because of your attitude, rather that disability experiences are largely the result of a lack of accommodation and of a society shaped to suit the able.



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17 Nov 2016, 3:36 pm

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You know very little about the difficulties that other people have as individuals, and I don't think policing who gets to have an opinion gets you anywhere.


That has been par for the course in this thread.

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I also think you're misrepresenting the social model. It doesn't say that autism only impairs you because of your attitude, rather that disability experiences are largely the result of a lack of accommodation and of a society shaped to suit the able.


That is an interesting hypothesis, and one I've seen no actual evidence for here or anywhere else. If I had, I might be somewhat more open to the idea.


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17 Nov 2016, 3:42 pm

EzraS wrote:
you're going to get it no matter what


friedmacguffins wrote:
I believe that those words can be taken in different ways.

Do you mean to say that someone would get autism, no matter what?

Would they get the cure, no matter what?

Or, did you mean something altogether different?


EzraS wrote:
I mean a hypothetical situation where the cure was forced on everyone with ASD. A person's choice to take it or not wouldn't exist. Therefore there'd be nothing to discuss regarding choice.


I understand.

In that case, I am in favor of free choice.



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17 Nov 2016, 3:45 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
In that case, I am in favor of free choice.


Free choice is the ethical option, as far as I can see.


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17 Nov 2016, 3:50 pm

It doesn't bother me, that someone would like to change.

But, I would resist coercive treatment, particularly, when it would change my personality.



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17 Nov 2016, 4:13 pm

EzraS wrote:
Maybe the DSM folks should just come up with a separate diagnosis for this ultra positive fabulous version some describe. Give it an entirely different name like, Euphoria Wonderpower.

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germanium wrote:
Eventually I would give up trying as the punishment was no worse for not trying as it was for working as hard as I could but still not meeting expectations.

This view has helped me accept my autistic way of dealing with problems and stress versus the typical neurotypical way.
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-(problem)+(ASD solution positives)-(ASD solution negatives) > -(problem)+(NT solution positives)-(NT solution negatives)

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But, I would still be happier to not have the problem to begin with and/or have the NT solutions work better for me.


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17 Nov 2016, 4:49 pm

(Pardon me. Having difficulty with formatting.)

EzraS wrote:
Maybe the DSM folks should just come up with a separate diagnosis for this ultra positive fabulous version some describe. Give it an entirely different name like, Euphoria Wonderpower.


Some symptoms of illness, taken from webmd:
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Grandiose beliefs
Inappropriate elation or euphoria
Increased sexual desire
Increased talking speed or volume
Markedly increased energy
A decreased need for sleep due to high energy


Happiness, as well sadness, extroversion, as well as introversion, are signs of a mental disorder.

:lol: (oops)



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17 Nov 2016, 7:25 pm

"Remember everyone; you're loved, accepted and a wonderful person as long as you agree with waterstar0610! Otherwise, you're a bad person and have something wrong with you and should probably be locked up and tortured until you do! :mrgreen:"

Hahahahahahahaha! Oh wow! My tummy hurts!

Ok this is too funny! I am going to respond only because this cracks me up! Hahahahaha!

@AJishere

First off you said it not me. :shrug: :roll:

Hey everyone! We should thank AJishere! Lets give a round of applause! take a bow! :hail: :joker: :jocolor:


Ajishere Thank you for so negatively and vividly and wrongly paraphrasing. It helps to differentiate the positive from the negative and the good from the bad so thank you for helping to clarify the line. Although i think many here are more than capable of figuring out where the line is for themselves but for those who are not thankyou for helping to clarify. :heart: :heart: I wish you all the love and acceptance for autism and all the neurodiversity you can possibly have! Thank you for helping to clarify what i did NOT say. Its much appreciated. :heart: :thumright:



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17 Nov 2016, 8:37 pm

Waterstar, have you heard of the term "theory of mind"?
It means understanding others have their own hopes, dreams, and motives. Everyone is the hero of their own story, do you think you can understand that you may not know what reasons a person has for believing what they do?


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