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This is very sensible. I really find it appalling how so many people here will pick on an individual just because he doesn't tow the line, and is perceived as an easy target. People with AS have a wide range of abilities, and I think those who've posted in this thread will find the IQ criterion of "average" or above refers to 85 or above, as "average" is a range that starts one standard deviation below the mean, in this context. Furthermore, it would be quite possible on that basis for someone to have a verbal component below 80 with a full-scale figure in the "average" range, and really struggle here with communication; maybe the original poster is having that problem.

As for the gripe the original poster has, I do have some sympathy, though even I would have worded it a little more diplomatically. I think there are too many self-diagnosed people who come to these boards then carry on as if they're some bloody authority on AS, when they don't know if they have it, and have never met anyone who has. In fact, there's at least one contributer to this thread who has "diagnosed" in his profile, yet has previously stated he doesn't have a diagnosis.

Actually the bar is set at 80 so if his IQ is around 90 hes just high enough for HFA or AS.

But then again IQ testing an autistic mind is like giving a dolphin the SAT.

Wasn't designed for them and the result will vary wildly and ultimately be fairly meaningless (even more so than normal).

It appears you do, too.

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I don't believe so, but if you take it as such I won't attack you for it. It annoys me when others are needlessly attacked. Sometimes I overreact. Perhaps I have here. I never claimed perfection.

Well said. My IQ test result was 71 but neither school nor university ever noticed. My Abitur was excellent. It was just that the IQ test had a lot of really weird questions...

Yeah...I was speaking generally for all of us who act different to those who "own" the climate. Wherever you go there's going to be a "social group" within the “social group” that'll try and force you out due not behaving how they deem as appropriate, even though it's not really any different, rather it's being more explicit and more truthful.

But that’s for another thread....

Fair enough.

I have to admit, that in spite of my own disagreement with the original poster, I found some of the responses to them disappointing and reminiscent of a pack of hungry wolves on the attack rather than a group of people, each with their own issues and hangups, trying to at least intellectually see that this person is perhaps not so adept at expressing themselves in a more polite manner and in a less than optimistic mood.

My question is were they acting on their own beliefs or expressing a learned social behavior? And if so.. who did they learn it from?

I imagine that most can become embittered after endless years of struggling to deal with their social issues and everything else that might make them an outsider... it can be acutely painful for some, and a response is to naturally lash out both at the illness and at those who seem to be managing so much better with it and adapting to it.

The formal DSM-IV criteria says "no clinically significant delays in cognitive development" which we assume means that excludes those with a below average IQ.
Thats because another "label" may fit someone who has significant delays in cognitive
development better. Meaning your greatest problem is often your primary diagnosis.

Unless the genes related to aspergers are tightly associated with genes for average and above average intelligence then certainly the condition of aspergers does infact follow a
bell shaped curve of intelligence regardless of what the formal DSM-IV says.

The ironic part is that many of us were as bad off as he is some of us worse and his lashing out at the illness and us both stunt his own ability to adapt as his resentment develops into a self-defeating attitude and it prevents us from giving him the benefit of our experience.

I don't know whether or not I have aspergers. Probably not.

I just know that I grew up unable to understand social nuances, write legibly, talk consistently or without mumbling, deal with my "short fuse" with frequent "meltdowns," and narrow interests that come and go. My mom didn't have the money to take me to a doctor so she told me to deal with it on my own. As I've grown, I've learned to cope with these problems but it's hard going through life with all the problems of a NT plus the problems of a social dipshyt. I'm now able to talk to people casually and control my temper, but i'm still pretty weird.

But, on the otherhand, I do know that you're either (1) a total troll or (2) an inconsiderate peckerhead.

True, but how many can logically consider that in the heat of the moment or when in the midst of a real down period?

Yes...it would be quite amusing to read my thoughts when I was 14-18, and I'm quite sure I would have posted them for all to see without care (much like I do now). Kill and death would feature prominently I would assume retrospectively…I’d probably be dubbed as a dangerous mind who’s about to climb the spiral stairs with his rifle….

Graelwyn, it does go both ways though...I'm sure the OP elicited a feeling of heat and temper in many people; except me, I’m numb and abnormal now.

True enough, but it still irks me to see a group rounding on one person as I see here...get enough of that in our off the net lives, I would have thought. Still... I suppose had the comments been directed at me personally, I might have been somewhat annoyed and responded tempestuously... I like that word.