20 Jan 2021, 5:28 am
League_Girl wrote:
KT67 wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I'll be happy when the Woke movement is over.
Unless you're Kelvin Garrah - be careful what you wish for.
A lot of what people call 'Woke' is just 'not being a dick to LGBT people'.
And there is nothing wrong with being woke. Being woke just means being tolerant of minorities and being anti racist and being in favor of letting them have the same rights as straight cis male whites. Not being so ignorant of racism and oppression they face.
Most examples of 'woke' look like virtue-signalling.
Virtue-signalling =
20 Jan 2021, 5:30 am
League_Girl wrote:
theprisoner wrote:
Fnord wrote:
When I refer to others by their preferred pronouns, it is more to avoid insulting them and inciting conflict.
In other words, confirming to peer pressure through political intimidation. did i read you correctly? now what happens when hard sciences conflict with social political conventions?
Refusing to use preferred pronouns can get you fired from your job now. Be careful. If you are stupid enough to use your real identity online or post about it on your Facebook ranting about this stuff, that can cost you your employment. people have gotten fired before for this stuff.
"theprisoner" *is* his real name.
kraftiekortie wrote:
Like I said, "white" is a "race," not an ethnicity.
Only white supremacist types think "white" is an ethnicity.
If you talk to an Italian. They don't call themselves "white." They call themselves "Italian." They take pride in being "Italian."
Only white supremacist types think "white" is an ethnicity.
If you talk to an Italian. They don't call themselves "white." They call themselves "Italian." They take pride in being "Italian."
Doesn't 'white' simply mean 'Caucasian'?
Too tired to google.
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20 Jan 2021, 5:36 am
kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't feel that poor, white Appalachian folks feel "privileged" because they are white.
There are some "woke" things that I like-----like never discriminating against somebody because of their race, or providing equal opportunities for all people. And some of the environmental things, too.
But I will not get on the "white guilt" bandwagon---ever! I am not "guilty" because I am white.
There are some "woke" things that I like-----like never discriminating against somebody because of their race, or providing equal opportunities for all people. And some of the environmental things, too.
But I will not get on the "white guilt" bandwagon---ever! I am not "guilty" because I am white.
Brother! [bear hug]
kraftiekortie wrote:
I am mostly not "privileged" because I am white. I got my job, possibly, DESPITE being white. Whites are a distinct minority in my job. Most people in the support staff are black or Hispanic. Most people in IT are Asian.
I have been told Human Resources have been inundated by those who majored in the humanities and can't find work elsewhere, hence, the leftist selection preference where someone like you might be disadvantaged.
Well, so I heard.
Fnord wrote:
There is not any kind of collective guilt that is based on sex, age, race, ethnicity, nationality, disability, mental illness or ability, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity/expression, sex characteristics, religion, creed, or individual political opinions. Only if you actively and directly incited, planned, supported, and/or participated in a crime do you share in any of the associated guilt.
Tell *that* to your extremist left-wing affiliates.
20 Jan 2021, 6:01 am
Pepe wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
KT67 wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I'll be happy when the Woke movement is over.
Unless you're Kelvin Garrah - be careful what you wish for.
A lot of what people call 'Woke' is just 'not being a dick to LGBT people'.
And there is nothing wrong with being woke. Being woke just means being tolerant of minorities and being anti racist and being in favor of letting them have the same rights as straight cis male whites. Not being so ignorant of racism and oppression they face.
Most examples of 'woke' look like virtue-signalling.
Virtue-signalling =
Better to signal lack of virtue?
Gosh dangit.
20 Jan 2021, 11:45 am
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20 Jan 2021, 11:59 am
League_Girl wrote:
Refusing to use preferred pronouns can get you fired from your job now. Be careful. If you are stupid enough to use your real identity online or post about it on your Facebook ranting about this stuff, that can cost you your employment. people have gotten fired before for this stuff.
Medieval_Serf wrote:
Refusing to admit the infallibility of the bible in all matters can get you in trouble now. Be careful. If you are stupid enough to speak heresy in public, ranting about this stuff, that can cost you your freedom. people have gotten burnt alive at the stake for this stuff.
Great minds really do think alike!
20 Jan 2021, 3:19 pm
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21 Jan 2021, 5:08 am
KT67 wrote:
theprisoner wrote:
depends on how you define virtue. virtue is a word. it's supposed to point to something.
in different eras, virtue has taken on different meanings. to some virtue may be "turning the other cheek", to others it may be a cause to action. violent action. (how many people have died in the name of defending virtue?)
virtue is a symbolic concept held in the mind of a person, connected to their framework of values, emotional feelings.
what you consider a signal of virtue maybe considered sign of evil to another. its all very subjective. so temperamental. its almost if humans just copy their peer groups without thinking, like how a bird imitates the melody of its specific species.
I think one of the reasons the world experiences conflict, is nobody can agree to what virtue or "good" is. there is no "universal" church yet established. and various splintered factions want to enforce their own specific idea of virtue on the rest. by any means necessary sometimes. which only leads to the neverending bloodbath that is human civilization.
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Virtue is a kind of health, beauty and good habit of the soul —Plato
in different eras, virtue has taken on different meanings. to some virtue may be "turning the other cheek", to others it may be a cause to action. violent action. (how many people have died in the name of defending virtue?)
virtue is a symbolic concept held in the mind of a person, connected to their framework of values, emotional feelings.
what you consider a signal of virtue maybe considered sign of evil to another. its all very subjective. so temperamental. its almost if humans just copy their peer groups without thinking, like how a bird imitates the melody of its specific species.
I think one of the reasons the world experiences conflict, is nobody can agree to what virtue or "good" is. there is no "universal" church yet established. and various splintered factions want to enforce their own specific idea of virtue on the rest. by any means necessary sometimes. which only leads to the neverending bloodbath that is human civilization.
Exactly.
Why I don't understand virtue signal as an insult.
It involves moral superiority, sanctimony, self-righteousness.
It is used as a weapon of psychological intimidation and is usually coupled with groupthink mob-ruling.
It is a "Look at me, look at me, I am better than you" syndrome.
How can that be anything other than bad?
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21 Jan 2021, 8:19 am
Pepe wrote:
It involves moral superiority, sanctimony, self-righteousness.
It is used as a weapon of psychological intimidation and is usually coupled with groupthink mob-ruling.
It is a "Look at me, look at me, I am better than you" syndrome.
How can that be anything other than bad?
It is used as a weapon of psychological intimidation and is usually coupled with groupthink mob-ruling.
It is a "Look at me, look at me, I am better than you" syndrome.
How can that be anything other than bad?
The discrepancy might come down to definition. I see virtue signalling as literally someone signalling their virtue without any of the other stuff you mentioned. Rather than "Look at me, look at me, I am better than you" I'd say it was "I'm better than some people so please think of me positively". Like people using "SWJ" as an insult, how can fighting for justice be a bad thing?
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