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04 Aug 2005, 11:24 pm

Some uncalled-for posts from this thread:

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Disease? Donate to curing autism? You probably wear mini skirts and makeup and scream all the time. We WOULD NOT get along.


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I don't want your charity. I am very offended and I think there are too many non-autistics on WP... Non-autistics have other places to hang out right...? And this is THE ONLY place I can hang out online...

If you are not autistic yourself, you should not try and "help" us, because you dont understand us, and how can you if you are neurotypical?

You could read a few books, try and talk to a few aspies (allthough I dont know how you would locate us in real life, as we look just like everyone else), then study alot of s**t, but you still wouldnt have a clue what it is or what it feels like. Even the so-called autism-experts can never be too educated, and they will never "get" us..

Please feel free to post more, but follow the norms and unwritten rules of "The Wrong Planet".

So what I am trying to say is that maybe you should "help" someone else. If not I am not sure I want to be on WP anymore.... :(


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Uh... as an Aspie in an Aspie forum I feel entitled to display some Aspie confusion... is she joking? My first thought was that this is another stupid flamer. My second thought was 'wow, all the Aspies in here are being nice and explaining this to her, maybe I'm overreacting'. Is everyone being really gullible in thinking she is genuinely trying to help, or am I just a little too exhausted with my own battle in trying to understand NT's that I have seen offense where there was none?

In other (hopefully less rambly) words, I don't have a disease, I don't want to be cured, and I believe I speak for the majority of dudes and dudettes on this forum. Yep. So donating to the cure foundations to help us would be like... like... none of the examples are bad enough, but kinda like me donating REALLY ugly clothes to you... only you HAVE to wear them. No choice. Nun's clothes. Ugly. Not 'Ko0lzorzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!11!11oneone!11!!1'

Yep.

No curebies.

Nu uh.

(If anyone thinks I have been too harsh then I'm sorry, but I'm having a bit of trouble with my rather neurotypical family at the moment, and it shows!)


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I was under the impression that bipolar was a neurological thing. I show some signs of it too.
I still believe that this site should be wierdo-typical/aspie only. Or might just leave.


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05 Aug 2005, 12:06 am

O.K., the first one I agree was inappropriate. But only the part about wearing miniskirts and screaming. Violates my own personal tenet of self-determination. What was inappropriate about the others? Is this your opinion? Whose standards determine what is an appropriate response?

Since I am often accused of being judgemental, I know that others feel I impose my standards on them. What I can't understand is if they disagree with them, why take issue? Just ignore them. This is based on my experience of having people accuse me of judging them even before I make a comment about what they are doing or saying.

Hence my disclaimer that my judgement of the inappropriateness of the first comment is based on my own moral code....

After all, who's to say that I'm right?


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05 Aug 2005, 12:10 am

Although its not very scientific, I must say I really like wierdo-typical.
I wouldn't mind at all if this site was restricted to wierdo-typical folks, but who would be the judge of that? And which WTs, and how much of a WT do I need to be to be considered WT?

Hm. Think I'll go visit the philosophy forum....


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05 Aug 2005, 5:49 am

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I agree, and this is a very good example of how, when I am saying something I find quite logical, others interpret it as an attack or aggressive. And I can't say to them, well gee, I don't care enough about you to want to attack you because they think that too is an attack. This is the kind of thing that makes people want to cure autism. NTs often have little tolerance for reality, especially honesty. But to date, no one has been able to demonstrate a good reason to lie, even if the intent is to preserve feelings or a relationship. Why not work things out and create an atmosphere of trust?

Brutal honesty is only brutal if you live in a society where the value of relationships has been degraded to the point where people spend lifetimes lying to each other with the approval of that society. I'm lying to you because I love you?????
Unfortunately we have also been taught to blame other people for our emotions. You made me feel attacked. You made me feel angry. In reality it wasn't the person, it was the thing they said or did. In keeping with that we are expected to take responsibility for the person's feelings and say I'm sorry I made you feel that way. This is chaotic and foolish and hasn't yet led to peace on earth.

This is why I get in trouble all the time. This is why I came to this site. Knowing that I could be myself and have people understand that, made me feel like if earth is the wrong planet, then there is here, an embassy from the right one, an embassy that respects my culture and protects me from attempts at assimilation. If you are a visitor to my embassy, do not expect to find your culture!
My solution was to post my response in a different place.
I have a right to my response and to get support for how I feel. Otherwise the only person I'll be able to have a relationship with will be my therapist.
It is regretful if Christina felt attacked.
I am not sorry I was honest.
I don't have any aggressive intent, except toward the mosquitos and carpenter ants that invade my home and make me think I'm hallucinating.
Since I am also brutally honest, if you feel attacked by this post, consider seriously that it might be all in your head....


Well put. I think I am going to print a couple of paragraphs of this to share with people who blame me for their emotional problems.


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05 Aug 2005, 6:05 am

Neuroman wrote:
O.K., the first one I agree was inappropriate. But only the part about wearing miniskirts and screaming. Violates my own personal tenet of self-determination. What was inappropriate about the others? Is this your opinion? Whose standards determine what is an appropriate response?


I can see how the first one would be seen as innapropriate: it was an assumption. How is the poster to know whether, or not she wears makeup and miniskirts? Also, so what it she wears makeup and miniskirts and screams? Why should that be a basis for anything? I don't see the point in that comment. Sometimes I wear shorts and a t-shirt and scream. Totally irrelevant.

The only part I had an issue with in the second one was "follow the norms and unwritten rules," but I already addressed that in "the before days, the long long ago."

In the third one I did find some of it slightly humorous (the last longer paragraph) and I respected the poster's anticipated apology.

Now this one was carelessly... and I mean carelessly quoted:

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I was under the impression that bipolar was a neurological thing. I show some signs of it too.
I still believe that this site should be wierdo-typical/aspie only. Or might just leave.


I know for certain that I posted the FIRST line of that one and it is all based on fact. The second line was posted by someone else and makes little sense to me. The way it was quoted seems to lump it all into one chunk that makes it hard to understand what is appropriate, on inappropriate (fact, or fiction).


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05 Aug 2005, 3:46 pm

The plain fact of the matter is that many people here were rude. And whether you want to rename it "blunt" or not, it still has the same effect. Because usually when I am blunt, it sounds rude. And, frankly, it's not something to be admired. And if I have the awareness of my bluntness, it is better that I try and curb it unless I want to go around pissing everybody else off. Saying "this is the way I am, why do I have to change" is just lazy if I should continue to complain about social difficulties and "mistreatment" by other nonAspies. I can't have it both ways.

I'm just tired of labels being misused as tools of segregation rather than for understanding. People are people and there are more similarites between them than not.

For all her eagerness, Christina was shot down. Perhaps I am even more frustrated by this than she, simply because I find hypocracy abhorrent. Especially where here people complain about being labeled and then treated unfairly because of it and then as revenge they do the same in reverse. Anyone who does this has little right to complain if they want to be taken seriously. And, honestly, I would like to be taken seriously.


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