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22 Oct 2007, 7:17 am

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jjstar, i offered you hard data.....but i noticed you haven't emailed me yet for the article. apparently you don't want to see the hard data.

anyways, i do think it is silly to keep arguing, if a person wants to believe one thing, they are certainly entitled to do so.

but to say that the other point of view has no hard data, well that's just silly.


Becky don't be coy with me - just post the article. I'm sure it's earthshattering in it's accuracy . :roll: :roll: :roll:


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22 Oct 2007, 7:18 am

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1 - After telling you that doctors do not CURE anything you told me about your own personal story. I didn't ask to hear anything personal - but because I know how these things are in the medical community go - they merely can *hope for the best* and write a prescription. That is all.


Again, there are plenty of previously deadly illnesses/medical conditions that are now easily curable. Examples: appendicitis, syphilis, bubonic plague, leprosy, hemophilia. I have posted this before, but since it goes against your prejudices you just pretend it's not there. Vaccines have eradicated smallpox, and life expectancy in countries where access to scientific, modern medicine is commonplace have the highest life expectancies anywhere. Your position seems to be 'if doctors are not all infallible miracle workers, then they must all be quacks.'

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2 - I maintain my POV and belief that mercury in vaccines - is harmful and should be abolished for the detrimental effects it has on human beings. That is what this thread is about and what you have been fighting me since I began it yesterday. You have your opinion - fine - this is mine and I'm sticking to it.


What you have posted on the toxicity of mercury is about elemental mercury, not ethyl mercury. Now, which bit of 'different substances have different properties' do you not understand? Then again, the quacks using chelation for autism rely on people not being able to teel the difference between lead and mercury.

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Some people seem to have real issues with the truth unless it's their own version of it and they'll use all sorts of manipulations to stop infiltrating their comfort zone in La La Land. I.e. don't stir the sh-it pot.


Good description of yourself.



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22 Oct 2007, 7:18 am

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ah, just thought I would check in

anyone get cured yet?

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22 Oct 2007, 7:20 am

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The only thing that I do care about is truth. Capital T. Some people seem to have real issues with the truth unless it's their own version of it


All kneel down and bow before jjstar, for he alone knows The Truth.


No - don't kneel down, just simply accept that you don't know anything about healing the human body and that unless a TV doesn't give you an opinion - you simply cannot formulate one.

And it's not *he* genius, - it's she. :roll: :roll: :roll:


I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read this! I think I killed a rib!

What do you know about healing the body? Do you think reading a few websites with a bunch of half-facts gives you more medical prowess than anyone else here? I think you need to grow up. You're not that smart, and you definitely don't know what you're talking about. If you want to ruin your body by not taking antibiotics, or getting vaccines, then be my guest. Just don't be surprised when you get sick, and personally I think tetanus would be a good one for you to get, it'd shut you up at least.



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22 Oct 2007, 7:37 am

summary of a few points jjstar refuses to address:

1. ethyl mercury and elemental mercury are different substances, with different properties. he just goes on and on about elemental mercury. But he has no problem, apparently, with amalgam (mercury and silver) used as fillings for teeth. is 'different substances have different properties' so hard to understand?

2. the incidence of autism has continued to soar in countries where thimerosal was phased out. Not what you'd expect if thimerosal did cause autism.

3. he says the peer-reviewed literature is junk, yet he cites sources claiming to be based on the peer-reviewed literature. so which one is it?

4. he says modern medicine is not just useless but actually harmful. how does he square this with the facts about life expectancy?

5. there's the usual thing about it all being a conspiracy by Bill Gates and the pharmaceutical industry. How does this square with the use of vaccines in Europe (the EU recently fined microsoft) or in Cuba (last time i checked, US businesses didn't even do business in Cuba, much less run the place)?

6. He claims "doctors do not CURE anything" - I just posted a few examples of diseases that doctors do cure, and which were previously deadly. The silence is deafening.



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22 Oct 2007, 7:39 am

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jjstar wrote:
1 - After telling you that doctors do not CURE anything you told me about your own personal story. I didn't ask to hear anything personal - but because I know how these things are in the medical community go - they merely can *hope for the best* and write a prescription. That is all.


Again, there are plenty of previously deadly illnesses/medical conditions that are now easily curable. Examples: appendicitis, syphilis, bubonic plague, leprosy, hemophilia. I have posted this before, but since it goes against your prejudices you just pretend it's not there. Vaccines have eradicated smallpox, and life expectancy in countries where access to scientific, modern medicine is commonplace have the highest life expectancies anywhere. Your position seems to be 'if doctors are not all infallible miracle workers, then they must all be quacks.'

jjstar wrote:
2 - I maintain my POV and belief that mercury in vaccines - is harmful and should be abolished for the detrimental effects it has on human beings. That is what this thread is about and what you have been fighting me since I began it yesterday. You have your opinion - fine - this is mine and I'm sticking to it.


What you have posted on the toxicity of mercury is about elemental mercury, not ethyl mercury. Now, which bit of 'different substances have different properties' do you not understand? Then again, the quacks using chelation for autism rely on people not being able to teel the difference between lead and mercury.

jjstar wrote:
Some people seem to have real issues with the truth unless it's their own version of it and they'll use all sorts of manipulations to stop infiltrating their comfort zone in La La Land. I.e. don't stir the sh-it pot.


Good description of yourself.



Definition of Cure


Cure: 1. To heal, to make well, to restore to good health. Cures are easy to claim and, all too often, difficult to confirm.
2. A time without recurrence of a disease so that the risk of recurrence is small, as in the 5-year cure rate for malignant melanoma.
3. Particularly in the past, a course of treatment. For example, take a cure at a spa.

The word cure comes from the Latin cura meaning care, concern or attention. The current use of the word cure is believed to reflect the belief that the right care, concern and attention were tantamount to a cure.


http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art ... ekey=31243


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22 Oct 2007, 7:41 am

jjstar wrote:
... just simply accept that you don't know anything about healing the human body and that unless a TV doesn't give you an opinion - you simply cannot formulate one.


Look who appears to be talking but in reality is only repeating the mantra's hummed by zealots years ago. Oh, and - genius - you probably watch more TV in a week then I do in a year.

What is your real problem, btw? It's obvious you can't stand it when people don't agree with you, and as soon as opinions and facts are presented that do not confirm your opinion you start attacking people. Why?



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22 Oct 2007, 7:43 am

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pbcoll wrote:
jjstar wrote:
1 - After telling you that doctors do not CURE anything you told me about your own personal story. I didn't ask to hear anything personal - but because I know how these things are in the medical community go - they merely can *hope for the best* and write a prescription. That is all.


Again, there are plenty of previously deadly illnesses/medical conditions that are now easily curable. Examples: appendicitis, syphilis, bubonic plague, leprosy, hemophilia. I have posted this before, but since it goes against your prejudices you just pretend it's not there. Vaccines have eradicated smallpox, and life expectancy in countries where access to scientific, modern medicine is commonplace have the highest life expectancies anywhere. Your position seems to be 'if doctors are not all infallible miracle workers, then they must all be quacks.'

jjstar wrote:
2 - I maintain my POV and belief that mercury in vaccines - is harmful and should be abolished for the detrimental effects it has on human beings. That is what this thread is about and what you have been fighting me since I began it yesterday. You have your opinion - fine - this is mine and I'm sticking to it.


What you have posted on the toxicity of mercury is about elemental mercury, not ethyl mercury. Now, which bit of 'different substances have different properties' do you not understand? Then again, the quacks using chelation for autism rely on people not being able to teel the difference between lead and mercury.

jjstar wrote:
Some people seem to have real issues with the truth unless it's their own version of it and they'll use all sorts of manipulations to stop infiltrating their comfort zone in La La Land. I.e. don't stir the sh-it pot.


Good description of yourself.



Definition of Cure


Cure: 1. To heal, to make well, to restore to good health. Cures are easy to claim and, all too often, difficult to confirm.
2. A time without recurrence of a disease so that the risk of recurrence is small, as in the 5-year cure rate for malignant melanoma.
3. Particularly in the past, a course of treatment. For example, take a cure at a spa.

The word cure comes from the Latin cura meaning care, concern or attention. The current use of the word cure is believed to reflect the belief that the right care, concern and attention were tantamount to a cure.


http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art ... ekey=31243


take appendicitis - have the surgery, after a few days the pacient is back to normal. no surgery, the pacient dies. sounds like a cure to me. Or take syphilis - a shot of penicillin and it's cured. no antibiotics, and it leads to madness and death. which bit of the definition does it not fit? in the case of smallpox, doctors did even better - they eradicated the disease.



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22 Oct 2007, 7:47 am

Hey PCBOLL - I said it already once on this goodly board (Thanks Wrong Planet, keep up the good work!) that I can't read long posts. It's an attention span issue - which as a fellow Asperger you can relate. You ARE an Asperger, yes/no - check one.

So - any question posited with full attention can't be tangled up in ad hominen attacks or this really low-brow bantering. I just skim through and toss it out as *garbage*. That's it. You want an answer, fine - I will be MORE than glad to reply exactingly - just ASK without the *other stuff* that way confuses the senses.



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summary of a few points jjstar refuses to address:

1. ethyl mercury and elemental mercury are different substances, with different properties. he just goes on and on about elemental mercury. But he has no problem, apparently, with amalgam (mercury and silver) used as fillings for teeth. is 'different substances have different properties' so hard to understand?

2. the incidence of autism has continued to soar in countries where thimerosal was phased out. Not what you'd expect if thimerosal did cause autism.

3. he says the peer-reviewed literature is junk, yet he cites sources claiming to be based on the peer-reviewed literature. so which one is it?

4. he says modern medicine is not just useless but actually harmful. how does he square this with the facts about life expectancy?

5. there's the usual thing about it all being a conspiracy by Bill Gates and the pharmaceutical industry. How does this square with the use of vaccines in Europe (the EU recently fined microsoft) or in Cuba (last time i checked, US businesses didn't even do business in Cuba, much less run the place)?

6. He claims "doctors do not CURE anything" - I just posted a few examples of diseases that doctors do cure, and which were previously deadly. The silence is deafening.


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22 Oct 2007, 7:54 am

So that's it? You can't focus long enough to read facts, so you say they're nonsense? It doesn't work like that. You can't dismiss evidence just because you can't understand it, that's immature and stupid. We gave you long posts and short posts. Read them or shut up.



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1 - After telling you that doctors do not CURE anything you told me about your own personal story. I didn't ask to hear anything personal - but because I know how these things are in the medical community go - they merely can *hope for the best* and write a prescription. That is all.


Again, there are plenty of previously deadly illnesses/medical conditions that are now easily curable. Examples: appendicitis, syphilis, bubonic plague, leprosy, hemophilia. I have posted this before, but since it goes against your prejudices you just pretend it's not there. Vaccines have eradicated smallpox, and life expectancy in countries where access to scientific, modern medicine is commonplace have the highest life expectancies anywhere. Your position seems to be 'if doctors are not all infallible miracle workers, then they must all be quacks.'

jjstar wrote:
2 - I maintain my POV and belief that mercury in vaccines - is harmful and should be abolished for the detrimental effects it has on human beings. That is what this thread is about and what you have been fighting me since I began it yesterday. You have your opinion - fine - this is mine and I'm sticking to it.


What you have posted on the toxicity of mercury is about elemental mercury, not ethyl mercury. Now, which bit of 'different substances have different properties' do you not understand? Then again, the quacks using chelation for autism rely on people not being able to teel the difference between lead and mercury.

jjstar wrote:
Some people seem to have real issues with the truth unless it's their own version of it and they'll use all sorts of manipulations to stop infiltrating their comfort zone in La La Land. I.e. don't stir the sh-it pot.


Good description of yourself.



Definition of Cure


Cure: 1. To heal, to make well, to restore to good health. Cures are easy to claim and, all too often, difficult to confirm.
2. A time without recurrence of a disease so that the risk of recurrence is small, as in the 5-year cure rate for malignant melanoma.
3. Particularly in the past, a course of treatment. For example, take a cure at a spa.

The word cure comes from the Latin cura meaning care, concern or attention. The current use of the word cure is believed to reflect the belief that the right care, concern and attention were tantamount to a cure.


http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art ... ekey=31243


take appendicitis - have the surgery, after a few days the pacient is back to normal. no surgery, the pacient dies. sounds like a cure to me. Or take syphilis - a shot of penicillin and it's cured. no antibiotics, and it leads to madness and death. which bit of the definition does it not fit? in the case of smallpox, doctors did even better - they eradicated the disease.


The appendix serves a vital purpose in the endoctrine/gastrointestinal fuctions and even in the paths which make up the *strange flows* - that said - removing it has a detrimental effect on the free-flow of energy within the body - and compensation (see also stress) need be made in order that equilibrion established. So this is not a cure - so to speak - rather saving of a life, if and when appendectomy (due to infection) is warranted by a Western doctor. In other places on earth, this ailment is treated in less intrusive ways, retaining the organ and allowing for the body (ies) to heal itself/ves.


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22 Oct 2007, 7:57 am

jjstar wrote:
pbcoll wrote:
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1 - After telling you that doctors do not CURE anything you told me about your own personal story. I didn't ask to hear anything personal - but because I know how these things are in the medical community go - they merely can *hope for the best* and write a prescription. That is all.


Again, there are plenty of previously deadly illnesses/medical conditions that are now easily curable. Examples: appendicitis, syphilis, bubonic plague, leprosy, hemophilia. I have posted this before, but since it goes against your prejudices you just pretend it's not there. Vaccines have eradicated smallpox, and life expectancy in countries where access to scientific, modern medicine is commonplace have the highest life expectancies anywhere. Your position seems to be 'if doctors are not all infallible miracle workers, then they must all be quacks.'

jjstar wrote:
2 - I maintain my POV and belief that mercury in vaccines - is harmful and should be abolished for the detrimental effects it has on human beings. That is what this thread is about and what you have been fighting me since I began it yesterday. You have your opinion - fine - this is mine and I'm sticking to it.


What you have posted on the toxicity of mercury is about elemental mercury, not ethyl mercury. Now, which bit of 'different substances have different properties' do you not understand? Then again, the quacks using chelation for autism rely on people not being able to teel the difference between lead and mercury.

jjstar wrote:
Some people seem to have real issues with the truth unless it's their own version of it and they'll use all sorts of manipulations to stop infiltrating their comfort zone in La La Land. I.e. don't stir the sh-it pot.


Good description of yourself.



Definition of Cure


Cure: 1. To heal, to make well, to restore to good health. Cures are easy to claim and, all too often, difficult to confirm.
2. A time without recurrence of a disease so that the risk of recurrence is small, as in the 5-year cure rate for malignant melanoma.
3. Particularly in the past, a course of treatment. For example, take a cure at a spa.

The word cure comes from the Latin cura meaning care, concern or attention. The current use of the word cure is believed to reflect the belief that the right care, concern and attention were tantamount to a cure.


http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art ... ekey=31243


take appendicitis - have the surgery, after a few days the pacient is back to normal. no surgery, the pacient dies. sounds like a cure to me. Or take syphilis - a shot of penicillin and it's cured. no antibiotics, and it leads to madness and death. which bit of the definition does it not fit? in the case of smallpox, doctors did even better - they eradicated the disease.


The appendix serves a vital purpose in the endoctrine/gastrointestinal fuctions and even in the paths which make up the *strange flows* - that said - removing it has a detrimental effect on the free-flow of energy within the body - and compensation (see also stress) need be made in order that equilibrion established. So this is not a cure - so to speak - rather saving of a life, if and when appendectomy (due to infection) is warranted by a Western doctor. In other places on earth, this ailment is treated in less intrusive ways, retaining the organ and allowing for the body (ies) to heal itself/ves.


Nowhere in you definition did it say 'non-invasive'. Surgery can be a cure.



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22 Oct 2007, 8:04 am

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So that's it? You can't focus long enough to read facts, so you say they're nonsense? It doesn't work like that. You can't dismiss evidence just because you can't understand it, that's immature and stupid. We gave you long posts and short posts. Read them or shut up.


I'm sorry, wasn't it assumed that you were so inflamed and agitated with my postings that you no longer would frequent them? Don't you care about your health? So what's your agenda? Need an outlet? Sexually frustrated? LOL - omg.


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people with an appendix removed lead perfectly normal lives, once they recover from surgery they can eat, exercise, etc as before. The appendix is not 'vital.' With appendicitis, if the appendix is not removed, the pacient does not survive beyond a few days. It does not heal itself, it does not heal with 'wquantum crystals, water (sorry, homeopathy), or any other placebos.



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i'll break it up into smaller posts and try to avoid long words so that maybe jjstar can follow it.

1. ethyl mercury and elemental mercury are different substances, with different properties. he just goes on and on about elemental mercury. But he has no problem, apparently, with amalgam (mercury and silver) used as fillings for teeth. is 'different substances have different properties' so hard to understand?



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people with an appendix removed lead perfectly normal lives, once they recover from surgery they can eat, exercise, etc as before. The appendix is not 'vital.' With appendicitis, if the appendix is not removed, the pacient does not survive beyond a few days. It does not heal itself, it does not heal with 'wquantum crystals, water (sorry, homeopathy), or any other placebos.


Have you had your appendix removed? Yes/no? Until you actually EXPERIENCED first hand the ailment and the remedy you have absolutely zero knowledge of what the patient experienced. So-called studies don't cut it. You either know the metaphysics of the situation - or you refrain from commenting until you are able to 100% empathize with the suffering (before and after) of an appendicitis sufferer. The last thing the world needs is more conjecturing.


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