Accepting Autism is Like a Traffic Jam

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sinsboldly
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13 Dec 2007, 2:06 pm

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The world was designed by normal people for normal people.


and you have gone back to that normal world, thank heavens. . .but you are probably already registered under another name and reading all of this. .

you have so much hate in you foresam, I hope you get help for that.

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13 Dec 2007, 2:08 pm

Sorry but Bill Gates does not have As I sent a letter to find out.... More likely accept's himself as an Introvert, mind you he did steal the design of the ibm... had it on this site ages ago...



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13 Dec 2007, 2:13 pm

bill gates has a very calculated public image with very experienced coaches, handlers, and consultants.

If you have ever seen video of him playing a video game, or ever seen his reaction to say... being flung in the face with a pie you will probably not doubt his aspieness.

Unfortunatly it is the state of affairs that the head of a $300billion corporation cannot embrace an AS diagnosis. An artist like Spielberg can, but not someone with greater fiduciary responsibility than most nations.


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13 Dec 2007, 2:14 pm

JWRed wrote:
... We don't belong on this planet? We aren't human? ...


Actually we are from this planet, it's the NT's that have taken over. Isn't there a book that explains how women came from venus and men came from mars? You see, us Aspies are originally from earth. That would also explain why nobody noticed any autistics before the 1930's, that's when the martians invaded earth. The invasion was even reported and recorded but that was later said to be a radio-play, to cover up. :wink:

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Define poor thinking.

That's difficult, but foresam is doing very well of demonstrating it in action.

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... The poor thinking of autistic brains is just a symptom. ...


Lol, I doubt that you'd recognize a neural net if it hit you in the head.



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13 Dec 2007, 2:15 pm

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Also, could you please define poor thinking, weirdo, and normal. You keep saying these words, but I'm not sure if we understand exactly what you mean by them.

Thanks!


Yes. I have AS. But I have a different perspective.


Normal= like neurotypical people. Neurotypicals control this world and are the vast majority. They make the rules and frankly are more rational than us. Does it seem rational to analyze everything to death, have no social skills, and be slow. We have high anxiety and have strange phobias. Is eveyone on this board insane? ? Here are some of the phobias found on this site.

> fear of bees...

> fear of toilets

> afraid of planes

> fear of revolving doors

> fear of wasps

> phone phobia

> teeth

>unidentifyable bits in swimming pools

> of knives

> terrified of the dark

> Animal hair

READ SOME OF THE THREADS ON THIS BOARD. DOES THIS CRAP SEEM NORMAL

If you don't like the rules, then figure out a way to start your own part of the world and stop bitching.


Poor thinking = not thinking like neurotypical people. If you don't like it, see above.

Weird= not acting like neurotypical people. If you don't like, see above.



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13 Dec 2007, 2:17 pm

JWRed, I know a lot of NTs who suffer from some of these phobias. What do these phobias have to do with being an Aspie. Irrational fear isn't just an AS trait.



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13 Dec 2007, 2:19 pm

Want to find something funny, 1 in 10 people in the uk have a mental health need lol. Can we see what the other 9 look like? 1 in 5 people at work are said to have depression :/



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13 Dec 2007, 2:19 pm

JWRed wrote:
SNIP

READ SOME OF THE THREADS ON THIS BOARD. DOES THIS CRAP SEEM NORMAL

If you don't like the rules, then figure out a way to start your own part of the world and stop bitching.


Poor thinking = not thinking like neurotypical people. If you don't like it, see above.

Weird= not acting like neurotypical people. If you don't like, see above.


Wrong account? Or maybe im paranoid?



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13 Dec 2007, 2:21 pm

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Pharma and government are the same animal. Who do you think had both Bush's elected?


Pharmaceutical companies and government are most assuredly not the "same animal". Most medical researchers are paid by government grants -- the funding for those grants ultimately comes from tax dollars. Mmmkay? NOT pharmaceutical companies. Furthermore, the grants are awarded based on peer-review from other scientists that are NOT being paid by pharmaceutical companies.

Take a look at the many links that lastcrazyhorn has provided us with. That's actually only a small sampling of the research studies that have looked for a link between vaccinations and autism and found none. Take a look at a few more:

Reference number 1

Reference number 2

Reference number 3

Reference number 4

Reference number 5

Reference number 6

Reference number 7

Reference number 8

Reference number 9

Reference number 10

Reference number 11

Reference number 12

Reference number 13

There are lots more where these come from, but this is all I have time to post right now. Are you seriously going to suggest that the authors of all of those studies are getting paid by the pharmaceutical industry to cover up a mercury/vaccine/autism connection? Most of these scientists have children of their own and, yes, they are getting them vaccinated.

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People who were diagnosed with Asperger's as adults were not necessarily Aspie as kids. The criteria has changed so that lots of weirdos can call themselves Aspies. Weirdos may be weirdos without having Asperger's. It's just a nicer word that weirdos choose to give themselves.


Childish insults aside, do you realize that you just admitted that the diagnostic criteria have changed and that this has resulted in a large number of people being diagnosed that would not have been diagnosed 20 or 30 years ago? OOOPS! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



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13 Dec 2007, 2:26 pm

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.. We are socially dysfunctional and aren't suited for the world we live in. ...


Neither are the blind, nor the deaf. Yet we've adapted their and our surroundings to help them cope with living in a world that isn't really made for them. That's all I would ask.



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13 Dec 2007, 2:29 pm

If you look how a doctor threats someone it’s like this...

You walk in... sit down...
Talk about what you think the problem is based on your own thoughts....
He asks questions... bases his treatment on what you say, & the signs....
If you travelled around the world with the same information I bet the amount of different things that you get labelled with will be off the charts...

How about this.

You walk in... sit down...
Take out your questionnaire,
So how long you worked in this profession, tell me how you feel about that?
So when’s the last time you had your mental status evaluated coz you seem to like throwing drugs all over the place?
Have you at any time been diagnosed with a mental problem?
Why is your handwriting so bad no one else can read it?



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13 Dec 2007, 2:37 pm

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Sorry but Bill Gates does not have As I sent a letter to find out.... More likely accept's himself as an Introvert, mind you he did steal the design of the ibm... had it on this site ages ago...



Frankly, I doubt Bill Gates would answer such a letter!

What is "an ibm"????????? In any event, I know for a fact he never stole the design of one. I assume IBM made it, and he never copied what IBM did. He DID %^&* the CP/M 86 work alike. He DID $%^&*( the PARC interface. And he had WHAT on WHICH site WHEN?



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13 Dec 2007, 2:44 pm

I think that there MAY really be a difference between the overall bundle of autism spectrum disorders as it was 70 years ago, ( taking into account it didn't have that name yet obviously), before doctors started noticing and treating a whole NEW variety of cognitive and sensory and mood disorders ( not those they labelled schizophrenia etc) which in some cases they put down to "allergic" reactions to the recently introduced chemicals in our food etc, or to build ups of food intolerance effects on the body as a result of more repetitive and excessive consumption of refined/processed foods, and which problems did seem to react to treatment by specific food or chemical exclusion/avoidance, and the ASD cluster of symptoms as it exists now.

I do believe that AS existed before, all over the world, that it was just less visible because the world was "kinder" to AS , quieter, slower etc etc etc. But i also think that there is possibly an increase in the more disabling/severe aspects of ASDs, or a "spreading" of the dysfunctions to other parts of the system. And that THEY are a result of pollution/environmental factors.

Otherwise, if ASDs have always been so limiting then we are lucky that the industrial revolution didn't happen sooner, and yes we will disappear more and more into the web as time goes on.

IF it IS simply a question of changing circs , rather than increasing environmental damage to brain development, then WHY did the world start changing so much to our disadvantage? What has caused society to change so much in the last 50-150 years that we are now so visible, so non-adapted? Why would a neurological group become so swiftly at such a disadvantage? It's totally weird. Makes me think of the ending of the Third Age in Lord of the Rings.

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13 Dec 2007, 2:46 pm

Zwerfbeertje wrote:
JWRed wrote:
.. We are socially dysfunctional and aren't suited for the world we live in. ...


Neither are the blind, nor the deaf. Yet we've adapted their and our surroundings to help them cope with living in a world that isn't really made for them. That's all I would ask.


Apples and oranges. We can change the way we think. The blind or deaf can not change. There is a thread with a poll on whether you would rather be "aspie or neruotypical". 78% said they would rather be "aspie". (That has to be the most ridiculous term I have ever heard). That attitude does not help aspies with assimilating into society.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt49581.html



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13 Dec 2007, 2:48 pm

I have a question, for the readers. Tell me, when Mercury is considered a toxic substance, when your parets warn you about broken thermometers and even touching the stuff, then how can it be harmless? If mercury isn't so bad, then why do they warn people about it? Why do they caution people and call it a health hazard? There are good reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)#Safety
Even if you don't believe the theory, you can surely appreciate that Mercury is a toxic substance.

Fore, interesting seeing you here. Remember, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. If you want to be taken seriously here, you've got to give them the benefit of the doubt. You've got to prove yourself, I guess. The less personal you get, the more serious consideration you get.

Anyways, if you seriously consider it, what's the difference between mercury getting into your body normally, and having it injected into your bloodstream? Is mercury not known as a dangerous substance? Why do we inject it in shots if we know it's a harmful substance? Seriously here! Is it safe to ingest Mercury?


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13 Dec 2007, 2:54 pm

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I have a question, for the readers. Tell me, when Mercury is considered a toxic substance, when your parets warn you about broken thermometers and even touching the stuff, then how can it be harmless? If mercury isn't so bad, then why do they warn people about it? Why do they caution people and call it a health hazard? There are good reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)#Safety
Even if you don't believe the theory, you can surely appreciate that Mercury is a toxic substance.

Fore, interesting seeing you here. Remember, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. If you want to be taken seriously here, you've got to give them the benefit of the doubt. You've got to prove yourself, I guess. The less personal you get, the more serious consideration you get.

Anyways, if you seriously consider it, what's the difference between mercury getting into your body normally, and having it injected into your bloodstream? Is mercury not known as a dangerous substance? Why do we inject it in shots if we know it's a harmful substance? Seriously here! Is it safe to ingest Mercury?


lots of things are toxic. for instance, alcohol is a toxin. so is pizza.

Everyone has some level of mercury in their blood. It's unavoidable.


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