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01 Feb 2008, 8:38 pm

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God says to love. God created me. God created the sun. God created gravity. God created the moon and water and the animals. God's pretty cool all considered. I mean, where else will someone put me AND the sun AND THE world in the same idea together? God has humor - besides looking at me, look at the duck billed platypus. Look at the T-Rex. Itty bitty arms. Big teeth. Pretty crazy design and yet it seemed to work pretty good.

Obviously god is an aspie, because look at how he thinks . . . he thinks in pictures. :) And his pictures move and are in 3D, just like mine.


:roll: The fact that the planet was in this position away from the sun is the reason you exist, you weren't 'put' here. Our species evolved as did those others that amuse you, the reason they work well is the many years it's taken for them to adapt in the way they have.



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01 Feb 2008, 8:40 pm

Mark198423 wrote:
lastcrazyhorn wrote:
God says to love. God created me. God created the sun. God created gravity. God created the moon and water and the animals. God's pretty cool all considered. I mean, where else will someone put me AND the sun AND THE world in the same idea together? God has humor - besides looking at me, look at the duck billed platypus. Look at the T-Rex. Itty bitty arms. Big teeth. Pretty crazy design and yet it seemed to work pretty good.

Obviously god is an aspie, because look at how he thinks . . . he thinks in pictures. :) And his pictures move and are in 3D, just like mine.


:roll: The fact that the planet was in this position away from the sun is the reason you exist, you weren't 'put' here. Our species evolved as did those others that amuse you, the reason they work well is the many years it's taken for them to adapt in the way they have.


Hey, have you read "The Blind Watchmaker"? I heard its a great book that shows how Evolution could build such complex designs.



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01 Feb 2008, 8:42 pm

Did I say I think he exists?

I said I know he exists.

And I don't believe in a lot of things either. I'm not one of those optimistic, believe in light and love because the whole world loves me kind of person.

I believe in pain and hurt and suffering. I believe in neglect and starvation and betrayment. Hatred, racism, bigotry, hate crimes, hateful teasing, taking pleasure in inflicting pain on other people, war, holocausts, mutilation, despair, loss, grief . . .

There is darkness yes. But there is also light. God is light. God created light first to supercede and balance the darkness. He brought order to chaos. He introduced integrity, the ability to create within one's life, the concept of helping others, living for others, joy, peace, love, wonder, awe, strength, fortitude, will, kindness, tenderness, gentleness, the ability to self-sacrifice for someone else, the ability to get angry at the sight of another in pain . . .

God believes in me. There was a time when no one did. I told you this. I don't believe in luck. I stayed alive because there is a path to my life, a purpose. I was created for good.


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01 Feb 2008, 8:47 pm

Mark198423 wrote:
lastcrazyhorn wrote:
God says to love. God created me. God created the sun. God created gravity. God created the moon and water and the animals. God's pretty cool all considered. I mean, where else will someone put me AND the sun AND THE world in the same idea together? God has humor - besides looking at me, look at the duck billed platypus. Look at the T-Rex. Itty bitty arms. Big teeth. Pretty crazy design and yet it seemed to work pretty good.

Obviously god is an aspie, because look at how he thinks . . . he thinks in pictures. :) And his pictures move and are in 3D, just like mine.


:roll: The fact that the planet was in this position away from the sun is the reason you exist, you weren't 'put' here. Our species evolved as did those others that amuse you, the reason they work well is the many years it's taken for them to adapt in the way they have.


God created the nudge in the right direction to start life. Now that's a bang! There's only an infinitesimal chance that the particular sperm will make contact with the egg to create the you that is you. There wasn't even that much of a chance for the world to begin. Yet here we are. I was born. I will die someday. In between that time, I'll live and I'll do so in the hopes of making life better for other people. That's my religion.


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01 Feb 2008, 8:47 pm

lastcrazyhorn wrote:
Did I say I think he exists?

I said I know he exists.

And I don't believe in a lot of things either. I'm not one of those optimistic, believe in light and love because the whole world loves me kind of people.

I believe in pain and hurt and suffering. I believe in neglect and starvation and betrayment. Hatred, racism, bigotry, hate crimes, hateful teasing, taking pleasure in inflicting pain on other people, war, holocausts, mutilation, despair, loss, grief . . .

There is darkness yes. But there is also light. God is light. God created light first to supercede and balance the darkness. He brought order to chaos. He introduced integrity, the ability to create within one's life, the concept of helping others, living for others, joy, peace, love, wonder, awe, strength, fortitude, will, kindness, tenderness, gentleness, the ability to self-sacrifice for someone else, the ability to get angry at the sight of another in pain . . .

God believes in me. There was a time when no one did. I told you this. I don't believe in luck. I stayed alive because there is a path to my life, a purpose. I was created for good.


:roll:

How do you KNOW all of this stuff? You don't know anything! Anyone educated in even basic epistemology would laugh in your face!

I didn't say anything about luck, things just happen. There is no purpose to your life.


Life has no meaning the moment you lose the illusion of being eternal. - Sartre

Life has no inherent meaning! You make the meaning! Please take a basic philosophy or critical thinking class, so you don't sound like a complete moron. I'm not going to continue this discussion with you; its obvious you have not the faintest knowledge of epistemology or metaphysics.



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01 Feb 2008, 8:54 pm

Kalister1 wrote:
lastcrazyhorn wrote:
Did I say I think he exists?

I said I know he exists.

And I don't believe in a lot of things either. I'm not one of those optimistic, believe in light and love because the whole world loves me kind of people.

I believe in pain and hurt and suffering. I believe in neglect and starvation and betrayment. Hatred, racism, bigotry, hate crimes, hateful teasing, taking pleasure in inflicting pain on other people, war, holocausts, mutilation, despair, loss, grief . . .

There is darkness yes. But there is also light. God is light. God created light first to supercede and balance the darkness. He brought order to chaos. He introduced integrity, the ability to create within one's life, the concept of helping others, living for others, joy, peace, love, wonder, awe, strength, fortitude, will, kindness, tenderness, gentleness, the ability to self-sacrifice for someone else, the ability to get angry at the sight of another in pain . . .

God believes in me. There was a time when no one did. I told you this. I don't believe in luck. I stayed alive because there is a path to my life, a purpose. I was created for good.


:roll:

How do you KNOW all of this stuff? You don't know anything! Anyone educated in even basic epistemology would laugh in your face!

I didn't say anything about luck, things just happen. There is no purpose to your life.


Life has no meaning the moment you lose the illusion of being eternal. - Sartre

Life has no inherent meaning! You make the meaning!


Who are you to deny me my life experiences? I know that I like certain foods. I know that I like to make music. I know that we don't all follow the same paths. I don't believe in basic epistemology as it pertains to my religion. I told you all, I don't fit in well with organized rhythm. I find god through music, through action; not through sitting and hearing someone talk. Good and bad balance one another. God is good. God gives me opportunities, but it's my choice whether or not I take them.

There is purpose to everyone's lives. If you have no purpose currently, then you should try to find one. My purpose is to bring music to those who are in pain.

The reason it is hard to end one's life is because all lives are important. You can't just flip a switch and die. He makes it difficult to die because there is potential meaning in everyone's lives. We just have to find it.


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01 Feb 2008, 8:59 pm

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Kalister1 wrote:
lastcrazyhorn wrote:
Did I say I think he exists?

I said I know he exists.

And I don't believe in a lot of things either. I'm not one of those optimistic, believe in light and love because the whole world loves me kind of people.

I believe in pain and hurt and suffering. I believe in neglect and starvation and betrayment. Hatred, racism, bigotry, hate crimes, hateful teasing, taking pleasure in inflicting pain on other people, war, holocausts, mutilation, despair, loss, grief . . .

There is darkness yes. But there is also light. God is light. God created light first to supercede and balance the darkness. He brought order to chaos. He introduced integrity, the ability to create within one's life, the concept of helping others, living for others, joy, peace, love, wonder, awe, strength, fortitude, will, kindness, tenderness, gentleness, the ability to self-sacrifice for someone else, the ability to get angry at the sight of another in pain . . .

God believes in me. There was a time when no one did. I told you this. I don't believe in luck. I stayed alive because there is a path to my life, a purpose. I was created for good.


:roll:

How do you KNOW all of this stuff? You don't know anything! Anyone educated in even basic epistemology would laugh in your face!

I didn't say anything about luck, things just happen. There is no purpose to your life.


Life has no meaning the moment you lose the illusion of being eternal. - Sartre

Life has no inherent meaning! You make the meaning!


Who are you to deny me my life experiences? I know that I like certain foods. I know that I like to make music. I know that we don't all follow the same paths. I don't believe in basic epistemology as it pertains to my religion. I told you all, I don't fit in well with organized rhythm. I find god through music, through action; not through sitting and hearing someone talk. Good and bad balance one another. God is good. God gives me opportunities, but it's my choice whether or not I take them.

There is purpose to everyone's lives. If you have no purpose currently, then you should try to find one. My purpose is to bring music to those who are in pain.

The reason it is hard to end one's life is because all lives are important. You can't just flip a switch and die. He makes it difficult to die because there is potential meaning in everyone's lives. We just have to find it.


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01 Feb 2008, 9:00 pm

God created the nudge in the right direction to start life. Now that's a bang! There's only an infinitesimal chance that the particular sperm will make contact with the egg to create the you that is you. There wasn't even that much of a chance for the world to begin. Yet here we are. I was born. I will die someday. In between that time, I'll live and I'll do so in the hopes of making life better for other people. That's my religion.[/quote]

So, only God can make small odds happen? I'm quite sure the odds of a child becoming a serial killer are pretty low, is it your god that make it so they happen too?

I don't think so, things happen because they're able to. You even said in your post that it's the chances of 'the particular sperm making contact with the egg' are low but there are plenty more that could also achieve the feat. When you look at the chances of pregnancy from any of the sperm then they are much higher, which is why so many are born. Not because somebody/thing has decided it.



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01 Feb 2008, 9:03 pm

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Did I say I think he exists?

I said I know he exists.


Think you left off the punchline...



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01 Feb 2008, 9:04 pm

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Hey, have you read "The Blind Watchmaker"? I heard its a great book that shows how Evolution could build such complex designs.


I've not but may check it out if I come across it!



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01 Feb 2008, 9:06 pm

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Who are you to deny me my life experiences? I know that I like certain foods. I know that I like to make music. I know that we don't all follow the same paths. I don't believe in basic epistemology as it pertains to my religion. I told you all, I don't fit in well with organized rhythm. I find god through music, through action; not through sitting and hearing someone talk. Good and bad balance one another. God is good. God gives me opportunities, but it's my choice whether or not I take them.

There is purpose to everyone's lives. If you have no purpose currently, then you should try to find one. My purpose is to bring music to those who are in pain.

The reason it is hard to end one's life is because all lives are important. You can't just flip a switch and die. He makes it difficult to die because there is potential meaning in everyone's lives. We just have to find it.


You may be right about your life experiences being unquestionable by strangers but your knowledge of gods existence is definately highly questionable.



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01 Feb 2008, 9:07 pm

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I'm quite sure the odds of a child becoming a serial killer are pretty low, is it your god that make it so they happen too?


God does good. You're looking in the wrong direction for the creator of that.


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01 Feb 2008, 9:09 pm

If I believe it, then it's mine to have . . . so if I know I have it, then what's wrong with that?


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01 Feb 2008, 9:09 pm

lastcrazyhorn wrote:
Mark198423 wrote:
I'm quite sure the odds of a child becoming a serial killer are pretty low, is it your god that make it so they happen too?


God does good. You're looking in the wrong direction for the creator of that.


Trying to argue parts of the Bible is like trying to argue Zeus's robe colors.



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01 Feb 2008, 9:09 pm

I think basically that we're at one of those points of:

Why?

vs.

Why not?


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01 Feb 2008, 9:51 pm

I find this discussion stupid.

One side of the camp: We believe because we know.

The other: We do not believe because there is no knowledge (evidence).

Both are following their own prejudice. I've my prejudice. We all expect the Creator to be something. How can that be? If He is something to one person and not to another, who is right? who is wrong? This just tells me there is no clear proof to His exactness.




This discussion clearly deviated from its purpose with the responses by Brittany2907 and Vince (which I found to be arrogant, btw). OP did not say "I am converting people, tell me if I am doing the right thing or not. Please, also tell me there is no GOD!" No, (s)he posted

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he asked me about God, and I gave him a few honest answers and a few name of some websites for him to go to for extra help, and he thought I was converting him. Does anyone over obsess about their religion?



That was pretty clear to me. Sure, he worries about them going to hell but this isn't a Spanish Inquisition.

To stay on topic: I can remember one occassion this happening to me. I was pointing out the contradictions between certain Christian sects, and the person to whom I was talking to became irritated and said I should not be trying to convert her. Now, how ridiculous was that? None of us were Christians, so there would have been no reason for me to try to explain why a certain sect is better than the other, no reason for me to proselytize.