krex wrote:
I seldom disagree with what you say Inventor...but what do we do with the children who are in so much pain. We can't kill all the bullies..there are to many and they still run the world. The sensory pain they feel is real...it was for me. I can't change that I was in pain but can't we do anything to help kids not be in so much pain ? I do think a lot of it could be eliminated by not trying to change things that don't need to be changed and encouraging things that work for them but they still have to go out into the real world and deal with all the bullies.
Suppressing my frustration and rage as a kid probably is what made me do so many hurtful things to myself but the alternative...hurting them...was seldom an option for me. They were bigger and they would just hurt me more. If we can't change the bullies and we can't change the rage, there must be away to help them feel less of the pain ?
I agree with that, but the answer is not how to change what is wrong with you, it is what is it that annoys you.
There is a problem, and my experiance it is the bully factor from parents and teachers made it open season on me for their other children.
They were the ones who equated different with wrong. It self justified them treating me any way that they wanted. I was scapegoated, blamed for everything wrong with their lives. I was the whipping boy to take the punishment for their feelings of low self esteme.
My mothers marriage broke up when I was two, guess who was blamed?
My teachers made a constant issue of a quite child, who made little eye contact, and too much when told, "look at me." The other children could get by sitting quietly in their desks doing their work, I did, made good grades, and was publically corrected daily.
It was never explained what I did that caused me to be sent to the principals office, he did not know. Not only was I sent from class for no reason, I was quite, and did not speak, for everything I said was wrong. and this teacher set out to destroy me. When I took my books and did as I was told, in silence not wanting to be in the same room with her, she crossed the room and slapped me in the back of the head as I was leaving.
After that I was often slapped in the back of the head by students, mosly in groups who then ran away.
My family and school both agreed it was my fault, and I deserved worse.
I was under strong demand to change, but no one ever said from what, to what.
Guess why I am yelling at you an hitting you, and turning the world out to join in?
When I asked for explanations, I got anger, more punishment, for I was nine, and should have known how to change myself to please all people in general.
I went to school, did my work, caused no problems, and lived a life of constant hell at home and at school. When I did make friends I was questioned about it, the other kids who were interested in Science, then the phone calls were made, and places I had been welcome I was met by the mother at the door and told harshly not to come back, and the door slammed in my face.
This from people who had welcomed me, had me in their house, till they were told something was wrong with me and I would most likely kill them all and burn down their house. These events were some of the few times I remember my mother smiling at me.
Whenever I found someone to talk to, their parents were informed. They had mistaken me for a smart child with an interest in Science, till they were told the truth.
After my education was ended at 14, I had the highest grades in reading comprehension, Science, Math, but did not make appropiate eye contact, which displeased some b***h goddesss teachers. I went and ran a pool hall, and made good money, I still shoot a good stick, bought a motorcycle, got a night job as assistant manager of a toy store, never came home till after midnight, and left first thing in the morning, I was only attacked a few times in my sleep with a broom.
When I went to college at 18, my family freaked, I could not do that, I was an uneducatable ret*d, and my mother demanded to know the names and phone numbers of my teachers, for she would soon set them straight.
I was going to school in the morning, working 40 hours at my computer job, the punch card era, 1968, and when passing through home being punched in the throut at dinner. It was my fault for trying to be something I could never be.
The local police became involved, and asked the same question my principal had, why were you sent to the office? It seems the police were told I owned a motorcycle, and was doing something. Being police they investigated, and told me I should move.
I did, to New York, and had a great time. Someone told the FBI I was avoiding the draft, and where I was hiding out. The only people who knew my address were my mother, and The US State Department where I worked.
"My Autistic child" often becomes the scapegoat for personal and family problems. Since it is common knowledge we do not have souls or legal rights, and parents will blame the chid if a teacher or anyone else strikes them, they are only defending their point of view, when all of the world's problems are blamed on a nine year old.
What irks me is the continuation into adult years. Parents lose the legal right to torture children at eighteen, but not the need. Everything was done to keep me from becoming an adult.
I have a Federal record for draft evasion. I was arrested, it was pop news back then. They were a bit embarrased when it came out that I was registered, with my draft board, and had never been called for a physical, no draft notice. I still have a record for being arrested for a Federal Felony. That cost me my job with the State Department. I am barred from Federal employment. No major Corporation would hire me.
Once parents start down the path of, it is the childs fault, and the child has to change to justify their actions, it never ends. Existing was my fault, they had a right to make my education, social life, employment life, and relation with the local police and FBI hell, to defend their actions.
To do anything else they would have to admit they were wrong, not a human trait, less so with the guilty. They stuck to, they had to do it because it was my fault.
I have a slightly different Neurology. what I gather from NT's is they think in words, and come up with one answer. I see in whole pictures with a thousand possible outcomes. From that I chose the ones closest to my goal. I am still told I am wrong, but not at The Patent Office.
My own career choices were Government, State Department, or IBM. One phone call blocked both of those lives. It would have made my fifth grade teacher, and others, look bad.
This whole idea of brainwashing children into pretending to enjoy the abuse and insults they recieve is a reverse of what I see, children are made angry and depressed by family and school, their world, and it is not the child's fault.
What you are asking for is, "Yassa massa, I loves the ways you beats me, you, dem teacher goddesses, alls the real chillen, it pleases me to be abused by all of you." It makes me so happy I get happy feet and wants to dance fo yo. I be your tard boy massa.
There is a problem, it is Neurological hard wiring, but not ours.
Children do grow into adults. It is very possible to destroy all of their future. They may age out of Autism, but that Federal record is forever.
I will admit we are not good at some things. We are very good at other things. The things we do not do well are common, where we excel our talents are rare, and in demand.
We have a Neurological differance, not a Behaviorial problem. NT's have behaviorial problems, mental illness, not us, and trying to fit us into a NT mold of defectiveness, then demanding that we apoligise, is not the answer.
If your child can paint with photographic skill, breaking their fingers is the wrong approach. Making them apoligize for having to have their fingers broken is also not wise.
The hard part is no NT can even glimse the mosazic pattern of thought we live in. LabPet describes it well for the video Smelena made. Or in he follow up, for I think the most important point for us, how we see, which LabPet nailed, was edited out by Smelena.
It is like submiting a mathematical answer and proof to someone who only knows a little arithmatic. They can be told, but lack the wiring to understand, and have the preconception that we are wrong, babbling nonsense, and they are trying to make us right, like them.
We are Broadband and digital, they are analog and POTS. Plain Old Telephone Service, one word at a time. They edit everything into text only, without graphics. What we communicate that is outside of their bandwidth is considered deranged thinking.
We start with a question, view all possible answers, and chose goals. They start with a goal, and break, bend, smash, trying to fit us into their view of a mold. I do not fit well through a twisted pair. That is the feed for POTS.
Maybe in this enlightened time it is no longer electro shock, Thorizine, calling the police on adult children, who dare just live and prosper, but the intent is the same, that little ret*d is going to pay for this, and smile and say thank you.
NT will never understand for they cannot see as we see, think as we think, and yet they can be sure we are wrong, and, freely use North Korean brainwashing tactics on children.
The art of brainwashing is first undermine what a person thinks, show them they are wrong, then offer to help them see the truth. This behaviorial modification is Pavlov applied to humans. It could be called "Teaching Stockhome Syndrom."
NT's are not evil, just ordinary people. It is I who have a hard time seeing a differance.
"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."
Most NT behavior toward us has been discredited. Thorazine and electro convulsive shock were used on people who complained about being locked up without crime, trial, but on the word of their family, who saw they were going to inheret money, so had them locked up, stripped of legal rights, a Mental Patient, and took all the money.
When the courts closed that option, there was nothing medically wrong with us from 1974 to 1994. It just happens to coincide with the computer industry.
Now the unemployed Psych Warfare set is out to make a buck. Brainwashing and torture are banned by the Geneva Convention. Just because George Bush thinks waterboarding is a sport, that is not a green light for some Pop Psyc Professor to use it to cure Autism.
The Medical view of Autism is we know nothing. Real Doctors who use Science.
There are no drugs that benefit Autism.
There is no treatment shown to be effective except common sense and human decency.
We are not NT's with defective brains.
We are not NT's with a Developmental Disorder.
We are not NT's with a Mental Illness.
We are Autistics, shown to have a lot in common on WP, a type of human.
Until torture and brainwashing is renounced, until we are granted the right to be ourselves, I will object.
I object to being considered a hopeless ret*d and fair game to speak down to by NT's who just want to help.
I object when statments by the Autistic explaining the differance in brain function, thought patterns, are edited out.
We do not have Diplomatic Relations with the NT, they send Missionaries and Colonial Administrators to speak for us Natives.
The differance between Autism Speaks and Tony Attwood is the first ignores adult Autistics, and the second supports Cassandra Syndrome.
There are several million adult Autistics. Niether group wishes to study outcomes, as they are feeding off the children.
Adult Autistics are very vocal about what was done wrong to them, treatments and attitudes that hindered their development, and about the differances in thinking and working that benefit us during the adult years.
These children will become adults, brainwashed if Tony has his way. It will not help them in life, and only offers a short term benefit to parents and teachers who do not want to learn about us other than ways to control us. Heroin would do less long term damage.
I have a core of fairness and justice. without it, what would I be? Brainwashing is a direct attack on ethics, lying is good, lying is my friend. It may seem to fit the child into the NT world, but what of adult outcome?
What should be taught is what you can hear here from adult Autistics. First stop all the, "You poor suffering ret*d," view. In general we are more intelligent, even if we do flunk the social part of the test. We are good for what we are good for, and no amount of remedial eye contact, hand shaking, back slapping, and talking sports and celebs will aid us in any way, but will hinder our natural development toward being functioning adults in the world.
I do not like people electing themselves to come yell at me to change my ways. I do not need to be made to enjoy them trying to "help" me. I can sell out myself just fine if that is what I want.
Several million of us adults are getting by just fine. NT's are a pain, but we learn to cope. NT's also think NT's are a pain, so none of your lip.
We thank you for all of your effort in telling us we are wrong, and it is our fault. Now it is time to move on. Millions of us are having everything put at risk because a few untrained non-medical types have discovered us as children.
Atacking the Autistic Community is not being helpful. Trying programs developed for Depressed NT's, things read in some Woman's Magazine, Korean Brainwashing, or what you learned about Dog Training, is not being helpful.
It may make you feel better, "Do something, even if it is wrong," but it does not help our cause. You are making things worse, just another brick in the wall.
We are normal humans with a slight hardwired differance. We are not insane or criminal. In fact we run very honest, plain speaking, and just because we cannot understand the social value of football, or Paris Hilton's boobs, does not make us lesser beings.
We process information in batches. Words, pictures, colors, smells, sounds, all at once, so quit yelling. We do not get the "right answer", there is not "a" right answer, there are hundreds and thousands.
For a people who deal only in words, NT's are not very good at word usage. They also seem to have hearing problems, they only hear what they want to.
If they would make the effort to learn the langauge, so they could say what they mean, if they will accept written statments that must be dealt with sentence and paragraph at a time, no cheating allowed. If they can confine their statments to Reason, Science, and a record they will have to sign, date, and stick to, it may be possible to open Diplomatic Relations.
Before this can happen they must reconize that we are human, and have just as much right to be us, as they have to be them. We have lived through all of their tortures and never changed.
We should share the same goal of us becoming functioning adults. A first step would be renouncing torturing the children with Psychobabble. Until you acknowledge that we are not defective, insane, and at fault, there will be little room for progress.
I have had two basic relationships in life, those who saw me as defective, may they burn in Hell for all Eturnity, and those who saw me as having superior skills, and were glad to have someone around who could keep their computers running.
The first group gave me hell, the second money. I have never met anyone who did both.
Whenever the relationship starts with you are wrong, now here is an emotional thermometer, I know what group I am dealing with.
We will have Diplomatic Relations, recognition of our right to exist, or remain enemies.
Read Attwood's new book, "Getting rich off Autism."
He is a Professor turned Talk Show Pop Psych Celeb.
He has no Medical or Scientific credibility. He is a Con Man.
23 May 2008, 10:56 am
...two thumbs up. I think there are many paths to enlightenment Grasshopper 
(and I am not being sarcastic, in-case anyone misconstrues) I recommend reading the Tao of Poo
She tried to kill herself on at least 3 occasions, and eventually succeeded. I feel like I knew her well, etc... Everytime I see her avatar or pseudonym, I almost feel like crying.(I really never cry at all)
