Killing animals for sport

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likewise. If you can't kill something yourself, you have no business eating it.
I'm not so much into photography, but I treasure the memories I have of close encounters with wildlife (whether I anticipate eating them or not).

Unlike many, I'm not terribly fond of deer; they carry ticks, wander onto freeways, and wreak havoc on yards and gardens. Sure, they're cute, but they're destructive beasts!

I could not have put it better myself.
Government are always on the lookout to raise extra taxes and what a boon for them to be able to tax us all to the nuts, all for the sake of (yeh sure) global warming.

Completely agree, sure we need to get off oil and i don't have any problems with that. But we need to get off oil because when it runs out society will die not because the world is warming up and sea levels rise. But the government is just making up taxes to get money and using "global warming" to fool everyone that these taxes are right.

Folks, no one anywhere has proposed raising taxes due to global warming. Get real.

Umm i don't know how it s in America but there are loads of "Green taxas" in Britain because of global warming.

Ok, I stand corrected. No one in the United States has proposed increasing taxes due to global warming.


but American scientists talk about global warming just as much as Brittish ones, so the global warming talk = tax excuse doesn't hold.

I'm sorry, but aren't they proposing that most of the taxes that would go to environmental issues be placed upon the corporations and not the general public? I know it all trickles down, maybe that is what you referring to? Anyway, if you are interested in government conspiracies regarding the oil crisis, I think you will enjoy this video.
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Thanks, that was a very sad and amazing story. The poor elephant though!

Nicola Tesla was indubitably a genius of high order, and he's hardly 'unknown' or 'obscure.' However, to attribute starwars, lasers, etc. to him is a little like saying Nostradamus predicted the twin towers falling.

Killing of any animal, for any reason except food is wrong. I have no tolerance for it. I have no tolerance for any animal suffering. Actually, I don't believe in killing animals for food either, but I could "excuse" it if done so the animal doesn't suffer...like many religions around the world do...

I have no tolerance for cockfighting either...big sport where I come from...

I believe that men who hunt (won't even go to women) aren't man enough to go after someone and beat them up instead. If animals could shoot back, these men wouldn't be men enough to go looking for them...

Any so called "sport", or even killing of animals to protect other animals I see as wrong...unless of course the animals are coming to kill you or your family/pet...and honestly, I think most of the time these attacks are provoked by humans.

That's a fairly reasonable position. Unfortunately, most of the modern meat production takes place in such large facilities, moving so fast, that humane kills can't be guaranteed.



Likewise - and add dog and stallion fighting to the list. In an ordinary fight, the loser would be allowed to give up and run away before he was too badly injured; humans force the animals to stay together so that it turns into a fight to the death. It's disgusting. Bull fighting same/same.



If the animals had weapons, they'd be 'predators,' not 'prey.' When you're looking for deer meat for the rest of the year, you're looking for a quick and easy kill, not 'testing your manhood.' Hunting has squat to do with manhood, except in the deluded minds of trophy hunters (Btw, what do you have against women hunters?). At least a hunter is killing something quickly and efficiently, with little fear, and the animal has led a free and happy life (unlike a cow on a feedlot slaughtered in an industrial facility). At least the hunter is taking responsibility for the death of the animal he or she is eating, unlike the vast majority of the public chowing down on steaks that were killed so that they would buy them.



that's a little bit naive. We have mountian lions in our area that attack people every couple of years - from behind. They're ambush predators. It's hard to provoke something if you're walking or running away from it. Likewise, white sharks attack surfers from below, with little or no warning. Some dogs are simply aggressive towards anything that invades their territory, human, canine, or otherwise.

There's also the fact that some of us have our pets put to sleep when they are sick and dying in order to spare them further inevitable pain.

This doesn't seem toapply to Britain really except of course fox hunting which is sick I think...We don't really have hunters of animals...

In the UK people shoot a variety of animals for pleasure, and to eat, although as many youngsters in towns don't even know what a cow looks like, it's hardly surprising if they're unaware. Rabbit, hare, grouse, pheasant, pigeon and deer are killed. A variety of weapons are used including shotguns, rifles, and high-power air rifles, although all of those require some kind of licence. Low-power air rifles don't need a licence, and you can use them to kill rabbits and pigeons at short range. Of course, you don't always need a weapon as such. I've watched a guy using ferrets to catch rabbits. They put nets across the rabbit holes, then send in a ferret. The ferret has a little radio transmitter on a collar so if he doesn't surface they can dig him out. When the rabbits run into the nets they're clubbed over the head. It's great fun, and provides a tasty meal.

Vermin are also shot, or caught with dogs. Again good fun, and a necessity on any farm. Rats and foxes spring to mind.

When we refer to hunting in the UK that normally means fox hunting. In other words riding to hounds. A traditional English sport that's been the target of English-hating leftist, hand-wringing liberals and feminists, all trying to destroy the livelihood and enjoyment of country folk. What better a sight to gladden the heart of a true Englishman on a crisp winter's morn than the local hunt in their scarlet garb setting-off on horseback across the frost-covered hills? Tally-ho!

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I'm not fervently against hunting, but I do think that some people take it a bit too far. Like some of our political leaders who like being seen shooting small birds with clipped wings released from cages. There isn't much sport in that, it's just kinda sad. Just looking for anything to kill for s____ and giggles is just morbid. But there are plenty of people out there that hunt responsibly with respect for the animals and go home and cook it. I'll admit that it's not really sport having a gun versus a deer. If you wanted to call it a sport I think you'd have to chase it down on foot and stab it. I would call it a hobby, and the trick to any hobby is doing it right and doing it in moderation.

Only because the definition of sport has changed. Anyway, it's certainly a skilled undertaking. You need to be a good shot, and skilled in fieldcraft.

Its a total bloodthirsty "sport" which is like all country sports actually, and is just cruel to foxes which actually doesn't affect much land. And these higher classes are just doing it for fun which is just sick. They sometimes don't even cook it and just use it for furs for there spoilt wife.