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31 Dec 2008, 11:51 am

DeanFoley wrote:

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I don't think we are less emotional, we just feel some emotions differently and express ourselves differnetly.

We are certainly more logical.

However, Asperger's effects everyone differently so it's not the same for all Aspies I dont think.

You can say that with so much certainty despite there not being a shred of evidence?

To be honest it's my opinion based on my view on myself, personal experiences and observation.

Although I have read it in a lot of places, too.

I don't suppose the places you've red it in had any credible studies cited or such?

''Personal experience'' isn't a very good indicator. I have Aspergers, I am smarter than the group of NT's I know, therefore Aspergers must make me smarter? Oh yeah, groundbreaking logic there...

What if there were a group of NT's that came along, who were smarter than almost every aspie on this site?

When are people going to accept that no link between Aspergers and Intelligence has been found?

I never said I was a scientist or anything, I'm just posting my opinion.

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31 Dec 2008, 11:59 am

DeLoreanDude wrote:

DeanFoley wrote:

DeLoreanDude wrote:

DeanFoley wrote:

DeLoreanDude wrote:

You can say that with so much certainty despite there not being a shred of evidence?

To be honest it's my opinion based on my view on myself, personal experiences and observation.

Although I have read it in a lot of places, too.

I never said I was a scientist or anything, I'm just posting my opinion.

I know. But if you post your opinion on a thread discussing the topic, you are basically putting it up for evaluation. And to me it just shows that all the people insisting how soopah-great AS is still haven't found anything to back themslves up with...

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31 Dec 2008, 12:00 pm

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btw bipolar disorder and manic depression are the same thing. manic-depression is the old, DSM-III name for the disorder, bipolar disorder is the DSM-IV label. six of one, half-dozen of the other.

I was under the impression that manic-depressive is the more extreme case of bipolar.

All I've ever been told by people in psychology is that the term "bipolar" replaced "manic depression" because the latter picked up a stigma. It's quite inevitable that "bipolar" will become a nasty word as well, if it hasn't already, and be replaced by something else.

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31 Dec 2008, 12:22 pm

There's more than one type of bipolar, some more extreme than others. However, manic depression is not a name for a type of bipolar, but an old name that has been replaced by bipolar.

Also, I don't think manic-depression ever was the proper term. Manic-depressive illness. It's mania and depression alternating, not a depression that's manic. There's nothing manic about a bipolar depression -- the mania is separate.

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31 Dec 2008, 4:31 pm

Shiggily wrote:

starvingartist wrote:

btw bipolar disorder and manic depression are the same thing. manic-depression is the old, DSM-III name for the disorder, bipolar disorder is the DSM-IV label. six of one, half-dozen of the other.

I was under the impression that manic-depressive is the more extreme case of bipolar.

Hrmmm... I"m affraid your impression is wrong

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31 Dec 2008, 6:11 pm

Shiggily wrote:

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btw bipolar disorder and manic depression are the same thing. manic-depression is the old, DSM-III name for the disorder, bipolar disorder is the DSM-IV label. six of one, half-dozen of the other.

I was under the impression that manic-depressive is the more extreme case of bipolar.

nope. they are exactly the same thing. there is a milder form of bipolar disorder known as cyclothymia, where the swings in mood and brain chemistry are less severe. there is no such thing as bipolar disorder with no mania. that is unipolar, or "clinical" (typical diagnostic term), depression. mania must be present for a diagnosis of BP.

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31 Dec 2008, 6:14 pm

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if you want to get real technical, all difficulties are beneficial if perceived from the right angle. a unique perspective can be alienating or inspiring, counter-productive or genius. it's all in how you use it. it's all in how you view it.

I am not sure that makes sense. I am not talking about looking at something from all angles until you find a way that it is beneficial. I am talking about things that are beneficial to specific areas. Being in a coma could be considered beneficial from certain angles, but not really in a discussion on running a marathon.

every new perspective tried or acquired provides new information. new information is always good. it's all about how you apply it, what you do with the new angle. you can apply almost anything almost anywhere and make it beneficial if you allow it to be a lesson. lessons are always beneficial, even if they are challenging or unpleasant to learn.

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31 Dec 2008, 6:19 pm

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actually, a person can exhibit symptoms of both mania and depression at the same time. these are called "mixed episodes". i personally have had many mixed episodes. the negative aspect of thought is still there, but the energy level and agitation is at the same level as it would normally be in a manic episode. these are actually, in my and many other BPs opinion, the WORST type of episode one can experience with this illness.

so no, the mania is not separate at all. it is not a spectrum, where you can only be in one place on the spectrum at any given time. not like that at all.

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31 Dec 2008, 9:55 pm

DeanFoley wrote:

DeLoreanDude wrote:

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You can say that with so much certainty despite there not being a shred of evidence?

To be honest it's my opinion based on my view on myself, personal experiences and observation.

Although I have read it in a lot of places, too.

I think because Asperger's is a branch of high functioning autism, then low functioning Asies are considered low-moderate functioning autistics (I could be wrong). So it essentially recategorizes the norm so Aspies average out as average to above average IQ compared to NTs.

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31 Dec 2008, 9:59 pm

Hector wrote:

Shiggily wrote:

starvingartist wrote:

btw bipolar disorder and manic depression are the same thing. manic-depression is the old, DSM-III name for the disorder, bipolar disorder is the DSM-IV label. six of one, half-dozen of the other.

I was under the impression that manic-depressive is the more extreme case of bipolar.

true.

I looked it up and it was recategorized into Bipolar 1 and 2 and then subgrouped into Manic, Major Depressive, Hypomanic, and Mixed Episode.

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31 Dec 2008, 10:03 pm

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In the psychology class I took, we had an interview with a man who identified himself as manic-depressive and discussed his different episodes in length. At that time it was put forth that manic-depressive was a more severe form of bipolar disorder. However that may have been the turning point where the disorder was being relabeled and re-identification classification was not yet solidified.

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31 Dec 2008, 10:04 pm

Nights_Like_These wrote:

Shiggily wrote:

starvingartist wrote:

btw bipolar disorder and manic depression are the same thing. manic-depression is the old, DSM-III name for the disorder, bipolar disorder is the DSM-IV label. six of one, half-dozen of the other.

I was under the impression that manic-depressive is the more extreme case of bipolar.

Hrmmm... I"m affraid your impression is wrong

shoo

come back when you can offer something remotely intelligent to the conversation.

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31 Dec 2008, 10:06 pm

starvingartist wrote:

Shiggily wrote:

starvingartist wrote:

btw bipolar disorder and manic depression are the same thing. manic-depression is the old, DSM-III name for the disorder, bipolar disorder is the DSM-IV label. six of one, half-dozen of the other.

I was under the impression that manic-depressive is the more extreme case of bipolar.

oooo, things have changed...

While this is a new tangent, it is educational and I like it.

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31 Dec 2008, 10:06 pm

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true, but how would your lesson directly benefit someone who is unable to bleed emotion into logic in the say way?

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31 Dec 2008, 10:09 pm

Shiggily wrote:

Hector wrote:

Shiggily wrote:

starvingartist wrote:

btw bipolar disorder and manic depression are the same thing. manic-depression is the old, DSM-III name for the disorder, bipolar disorder is the DSM-IV label. six of one, half-dozen of the other.

I was under the impression that manic-depressive is the more extreme case of bipolar.

true.

I looked it up and it was recategorized into Bipolar 1 and 2 and then subgrouped into Manic, Major Depressive, Hypomanic, and Mixed Episode (which would previously be called manic-depressive).

actually, bipolar I and II are the names of two types of bipolar disorder. the other things you listed (mania, major depression, hypomania, and mixed episodes) are types of episodes. for example, i have bipolar II disorder. that means i have episodes that start as hypomania, and then progress into either a mixed episode or a major depression. people with bipolar I have major manic episodes, which is generally accepted as a mania that reaches the extent of paranoia, delusions, and eventually psychosis. except for one time in high school, i have never had a severe enough manic episode to warrant a Bipolar I diagnosis, so i am Bipolar II. "hypomanic" is not a disorder. it is a symptom of the disorder, which is called bipolar.

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31 Dec 2008, 10:10 pm

Shiggily wrote:

starvingartist wrote:

Shiggily wrote:

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true, but how would your lesson directly benefit someone who is unable to bleed emotion into logic in the say way?

people can learn to blend logic with emotion with practice, just like anything else. all it takes is an open mind.

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