Whats with the steryotype of us liking trains?

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29 Dec 2020, 1:49 am

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
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I loved checking model train magazines for awesome sceneries, especially nightsceneries.

Those scenes do have a certain magic about them.

Hey, have an incomplete night scene from our local model train club;

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That is certainly a cool picture :)



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29 Dec 2020, 6:01 pm

Does anyone ever wonder why people like cars so much?

Rarely ever right?

Trains are awesome, it's not exclusively autistic. NTs have a habbit of ignoring things if they aren't in the cultural consciousness.

Trains are antiquated for much of society and naturally they are forgotten about.



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29 Dec 2020, 6:22 pm

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Trains are antiquated for much of society and naturally they are forgotten about.

Especially true here in the US where there are many places a train will never be seen while you do your daily activity of going to the store and buying stuff from China which was shipped inland from Pacific coast seaports by train and then you go home and use green electricity from wind turbines which were shipped from factory to build site by train.

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/705216/

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/744734/

A thing which really irritates me is how so much of the media seems fundamentally incapable of mentioning trains without dragging in some fantasy about "nostalgia", whatever it is that "nostalgia" is.

"Nostalgia" is irrelevant, trains are about moving bunches of stuff and making money while doing it.

https://www.railjournal.com/

https://www.railwaygazette.com/

https://www.progressiverailroading.com/default.aspx

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/category/railroad

I'll let you in on a secret desire: I sometimes wish a media person would have interviewed me at a National Railway Historical Society (NRHS) event or a model train club event and asked me about 'nostalgia' so I could have said to them, "Nostalgia? What the F is that? Never heard of it." & seen how they reacted.


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01 Jan 2021, 7:33 am

For some, it's the engineering. For some, it's the huge extent and complexity, yet predictability, of the scheduling and routing systems, and all the infrastructure (signals etc) which goes into keeping a rail system running. For some, it's the ability to categorize trains into so many groups (manufacturer, year, various types of physical subsystems, industry, rail lines they were used on, aspects of individual engines' histories, etc). They're all giant frameworks with a lot of publicly available information and options for all kinds of activities, from visiting rail museums to trainspotting to compiling personal databases - things which align well with stereotypical autistic 'hooks'.

For some people, it can even be the social aspect - railfans (or railfen) have been around for long enough, and established enough clubs and groups, that it's quite possible to use them as a way to be socially involved with people who might also share a mindset - or at least something in the same ballpark.

I'm not a railfan myself, but I know myself well enough to spot that the engineering aspect of trains, at least, does pull at something in my head. I could absolutely fall into train engineering as a special interest; it wouldn't be all that hard.



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01 Jan 2021, 7:46 am

In my opinion...

It's got to do with lining objects. :lol: 'Repetitive and obsessive behaviors'. It does resemble trains to me.

Topics of trains and domains involving that are just a more specific, and can be evolved into something more sophisticated manifestations of 'lining objects' into what was described as systemizing aptitudes like maths, engineering and physics.



Trains are not my interests, let alone special interests or obsessions.
But other sorts of involving systemizing; maths, engineering, physics do. :P
It just happened that doesn't specifically involve trains and liking it.


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01 Jan 2021, 9:09 am

Why do I like trains so much? I really don't know except to say that I don't think that I am a facts and figures type of guy. I am more of a daydreaming type of guy, though I do remember some facts and figures and technical details which helped me when I used to work on the railway, as we had rules exams which had to be passed with a 95% correct result and no wrong answers in a certain section of the exam. (500 questions. Had been 200 questions that were harder questions to answer but it later changed to 500 questions).

For me it is picture daydreaming I think deeply in.

One thing that is good about trains and railways is that they are predictable in that they follow structure and rules.

Another aspect is that if a steam special is going to pass, while I will love to see it, I am more thrilled to see a class 143 passing by (A diesel railcar). I am sad that these lovely units are in their last few years as I have the fondest memories of all of working them, and to me they are or were the "Heroes of the railway!" They were the most exciting trains to operate and be on. A bit like a greenhouse on wheels. They would rattle and shake and accelerate far faster then a high speed train. They were "Super fleas!" Haha!
Passengers and staff used to complain about them, but foe me it was the sole number one reason for being there. I could get to work a 143! The similar 142's were ok, but a 143 somehow was the speedster. The hidden gem!

But trains and railways... I always have liked them. Oh, I love cars too but trains.... :heart: :heart: :heart:
And these days with my model railways I have changed to model in 7mm narrow gauge where I can let my imagination flow! Narrow gauge it is almost a case of "Anything goes" so I have an excuse to make my own railway up with my own trains to run on it. I am making my own rules up for my own little railway which mirror the practical aspects of the real railways but do not neccessarily conform to the same rules and regulations, as I am making my own rules up to comply with my own little railway operating company.

So I do have rules, regulations and structure, but it is not nesccessarily directly the same as the real railway rules. It is "My" adoption of rules which apply to my little railway world that I love to play with both in miniature form, and in my mind that I enjoy!



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01 Jan 2021, 1:37 pm

Trains are amazing. I like the double decker trains.


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01 Jan 2021, 1:54 pm

Never been into trains myself, but then again I also lack the stereotypical inclination toward math and math-heavy sciences like engineering, so that may be a factor. I somehow manage to be both very obviously autistic and very non-stereotypically autistic at the same time :lol:


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01 Jan 2021, 2:00 pm

I like trains.

I’m okay in practical math, pretty bad in theoretical math.

I’m more arts than science-oriented.



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01 Jan 2021, 2:03 pm

I can't say that I fit into the mathematical stereotypes.



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01 Jan 2021, 2:50 pm

Didn't had any interests with trains myself. :o
Didn't get immersed a lot with motors that much.
Didn't even do a lot of lining objects nor categorizing stuff that much as a child. :lol:

And didn't had a lot of exposure about trains. Not sure if that's related.


Despite I got involved with a lot of what systemizing may able to describe, it didn't lead to trains.
Nor do trains lead me to elsewhere. :lol:



While my own speculation still stands; it might be some metaphor or simile to do with lining objects... Or seeing something similar to it.

"Where did the stereotype of autistics liking trains came from?"

I may even add another speculation, like, some popular autism blog of a specific case of a particular autistic.
And this particular autistic like trains. :lol:
Now that particular special interest became a popular stereotype.


Unless there's a study about most autistics liking trains... And why... I dunno. :hic:
It's a fun guess.


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01 Jan 2021, 3:25 pm

Edna3362 wrote:
Didn't had any interests with trains myself. :o
Didn't get immersed a lot with motors that much.
Didn't even do a lot of lining objects nor categorizing stuff that much as a child. :lol:

And didn't had a lot of exposure about trains. Not sure if that's related.


Despite I got involved with a lot of what systemizing may able to describe, it didn't lead to trains.
Nor do trains lead me to elsewhere. :lol:



While my own speculation still stands; it might be some metaphor or simile to do with lining objects... Or seeing something similar to it.

"Where did the stereotype of autistics liking trains came from?"

I may even add another speculation, like, some popular autism blog of a specific case of a particular autistic.
And this particular autistic like trains. :lol:
Now that particular special interest became a popular stereotype.


Unless there's a study about most autistics liking trains... And why... I dunno. :hic:
It's a fun guess.


I did see such a study once. I can't remember exactly, but it said that it was either 60 something percent or 80 something percent of autistic males liked trains. It is something that when I read it, it was amongst many other things that I was reading or listening to via youtube at the time.
Don't forget that I have not started looking up things about autism until just before I joined this site, so that is about a year to a year and a half?
It surprized me, though I can pick up similar traits to mine in others and when I once visited a model railway exhibition about 8 to 10 years ago, even before I knew that it was called "Autism" I was picking out people who were on the spectrum. (And out of the ones who were looking around the exhibition I would say that up to a third that day I picked out, as I remember thinking it is odd that so many like trains).
Now as for me, I have traits and as I write I do not know if I am on the spectrum or not.
When I first joined I realized I had so much in common with many of you in here (But not all as it is a spectrum) that I thought I was sitting on the fence of not being on rhe spectrum or not being off the spectrum either. You see, I have spent a life of not being in one catagory or another and not fitting in anywhere, so as I did not know that my character had traits in it (Except for prosopragnosia and shutdowns)... So I assumed that I was sitting on the fence between being ND and NT so I assumed that I could see into both worlds.
But the more I found out about autism in its varying forms, the more I could identify within my self to the extent that I realized that if I am(?) an ND, then what is... Or rather how does an NT actually think? It was a sobering thought which actually answered a lot of questions for me as well as suddenly being puzzled as to what an NT is if that makes sense?
So I am waiting for my assessment with interest, because I really don't know for sure where I stand. I would be seriously shocked and puzzled if I was to find I am an NT as it would now not make sense, but I would hardly be surprized at all if I was on the spectrum... And if I was a BAP it would also have some sense to it, but being a BAP would not put me in a very good position OR would it put me in the greatest position of all? As I would understand everything! (And nothing? Haha!) You know what I mean? (Err, I hope... Because I don't think that I e
ven know what I mean! Hehehe!)
But besides ALL I have just written, there's no denying that I LOVE TRAINS!! ! :D



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02 Jan 2021, 11:18 am

ChiefEspatier wrote:
Does anyone ever wonder why people like cars so much?

Rarely ever right?

Trains are awesome, it's not exclusively autistic. NTs have a habbit of ignoring things if they aren't in the cultural consciousness.

Trains are antiquated for much of society and naturally they are forgotten about.



I'm a girl. My parents thought I was a bit weird because I liked cars and trains.

The thing that made liking trains weird (in general, I've never done this) was the trainspotting. The ticking rolling stock off of a list. That's not the same as going to car shows and oogling cars.



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02 Jan 2021, 11:39 am

hurtloam wrote:
ChiefEspatier wrote:
Does anyone ever wonder why people like cars so much?

Rarely ever right?

Trains are awesome, it's not exclusively autistic. NTs have a habbit of ignoring things if they aren't in the cultural consciousness.

Trains are antiquated for much of society and naturally they are forgotten about.



I'm a girl. My parents thought I was a bit weird because I liked cars and trains.

The thing that made liking trains weird (in general, I've never done this) was the trainspotting. The ticking rolling stock off of a list. That's not the same as going to car shows and oogling cars.


In the forties through to the sixties trainspotting was popular and many of these people caused the preservation movement to gain ground. It's pointless and weird now because of how boring modern trains are here in the UK.

Here's some very wet loco spotting for you! And classic cars...and bikes.



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02 Jan 2021, 11:48 am

hurtloam wrote:
ChiefEspatier wrote:
Does anyone ever wonder why people like cars so much?

Rarely ever right?

Trains are awesome, it's not exclusively autistic. NTs have a habbit of ignoring things if they aren't in the cultural consciousness.

Trains are antiquated for much of society and naturally they are forgotten about.



I'm a girl. My parents thought I was a bit weird because I liked cars and trains.

The thing that made liking trains weird (in general, I've never done this) was the trainspotting. The ticking rolling stock off of a list. That's not the same as going to car shows and oogling cars.


There is nothing wrong with liking cars and trains. Juliette has a lovely model railway. I am making one slowly... (No hurry) though my little railway layout is a small portable "In between" railway as I don't know what will happen in the future. It was a shame to make past larger railway layouts and have to dissasemble them. A little portable layout is a nice temporary solution to this issue.