Emotion or Databased -Autism

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Emotion or Databased -Autism

-- is Autism only a lack "percieved instilled logic" (learnt data rather than self formulated data) ((ie. rope learnt data vs. understood data)

--and does emotional distraction from applying pre-learned data in the real world count as Autism.

ie.
I don't understand the cofee is hot... I get burnt lips.(child empty data)
I do understand the coffee is hot... I get burnt lips (miss-congruent vectors)(Autistic).
I do understand the cofee is hot... +EMOTION , I get burnt lips.(Congruency of hot + burn understood , but disregarded)

....it's the last one that I don't consider to be Autistic... if a being has been able to demonstrate that they understand the consequence then short of dementia or memory lapse the only other variable other than a Pure Autistic inability to understand, emotion has driven the being to burn themselves.

I'm not a psychologist or a doctor or anything, so, personally, I think it'd be awesome if you'd accompany this post with a plain-English version. Then I might have an opinion for you.

Sorry I'm confused.

You lost me sir.

Okay so I came back to see if I could make sense of this, LOL. But I still have some questions. What exactly do you mean by "(learnt data rather than self formulated data) ((ie. rope learnt data vs. understood data)"? By self-formulated or understood data, do you mean instinct? (Because I do think autism has to do with lack of instincts.... buuuut you're saying the opposite?)

Also, I googled "rope data" and you're the only one who's ever used that, apparently. If you make up terms, you have to explain them, because there are a lot of ways in which learnt data might be like a rope.

And this:

I think he meant rote, not rope.

This is very confusing. =/

Oh, yeah probably. OTL

Well that changes a lot, aaaugh. XD;;;;

Dude, Erlyrisa, you can't have typos if you're trying to be as simplistic as possible, which is what it looks like you're doing.



OKAY. SO NOW. "self formulated data". What you mean by that is "data you fully comprehend", I think, right?;;;; While "learned data" is just something that you know because you've been taught, but you don't comprehend it. In other words, it's data that you've haven't fully run through the processor and understood.
And you're saying that autistic people don't have this.

.... and that's where I get lost again.

whoops sorry I wasn't there to reply...

and yeah ROPE ROTE ---> perfect example , I learnt ROPE by equating the sound of the word to a word I already knew... but now I have been Taught that it is ROTE...

so in future I will use the word ROTE....

unless dementia kicks in I may fall back on my previously learnt information (ROPE) and forget that I ever learnt the word ROTE...

but now here is the cruncher.

IF I am EMOTIONAL, let's say it's a lovely day by the sea and I am with my partner and some how the Phrase ROTE Learning comes into our conversation (and there are ropes on ships nearby), and I accidentaly/inadvertantly/or directly use the term ROPE in conversation, is it an Emotional redirection of a "wrong" action in the moment or is it because data has been construed because ships are nearby?

Or is am I just dumb (because the example implies bad english skills)


.... I am trying to get at the definition of Tantrum, and Melt Down.

Sadly I think both terms have been hijacked by parents that have created emotionally maladjusted kids.
ie... does the emotion hinder the education,(well formed data appropriation) or does the malfromed data appropriation hinder emotional growth.(hence we are back to the data.... bit of a savage loop I guess)

That's interesting, there doesn't seem to be a certain etymology for "rote." It sounds like it might be from rota = wheel (in the sense of doing something over and over again) but reading online that seems to be a false connection. The other suggestion, again without overwhelming evidence, is that rote ~ heart. It doesn't seem to be linked to "routine", either.

I don't know about emotional redirection, Erlyrisa. I think we learn a lot of words without considering their content at all. Only later do we question the meaning of the word or even notice that it is a compound of other words. We learn the whole thing as a label, and apply it to an object.

It's not the same thing as taking metaphors literally though. Place names are a good example. Most place names (and personal names, for that matter) mean (or meant) something literal, but we learn the name as a whole (and in spoken language the name may be pronounced differently). Even when the name retains its meaning (say OX(en)-FORD or NEW-CASTLE) we treat the name as a word in itself (OXFORD or NEWCASTLE, pronounced Ox-fud and Nuke-assul ( - the distribution of rhotic and non-rhotic accents in English is fascinating), not Ox-Ford or New-Castle), not as a compound.

I suspect - though I really don't know - that in languages like German or Chinese, where words are more readily compounded than English, it may be different. I'd be very interested to find out if anyone can say!

off topic (I started on HOT COFFEE)

...maybe ROTE learning is the literal phrase Wrote Learning ... somehow the W was dropped (probably by American English)


but back to topic.

another example.
(a true one - ADD kid - my friend)

Has...

Broken his hand through a plate glass window for the first time, (circumstance not important), but now repeats the same action, apparently a Tantrum... he continues to do it to this day.

Was the first time the hand was cut or broken done out of an emotional outburst, and he has not learnt the consequences and continues to decide to break a window b/c
a. doens't care
b. forgets the consequence
c. emotion takes over

or is thier an emotional conection learnt from the first time the window was broken - was a positive responce re-inforced... was the hospital trip the first time actually a calm and soothing time.

ie was there a reward the first time, that even to this day he re-visits that train of thought when being cornered and out of options. Even though he knows full well that today as an adult no good consequence comes from him breaking windows.

(I do doors personally - they don't cut)

--->Knowing how to remove the first positive association of the action could be a cure for Autistic traits.