Any guys here annoyed by the macho expectation?

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13 Jun 2009, 12:13 am

I just don't understand it. Being macho just doesn't come natural to me.



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13 Jun 2009, 1:10 am

Me neither!! *chestbump* :twisted:



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13 Jun 2009, 1:38 am

*throws action figure (not a doll!) at head of next poster*


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13 Jun 2009, 2:21 am

Well I am hopeful that the GoatofFire has a poor aim.

I hold the view that machoism is an aspect of male NTs which is related to peer preasure. Becuase one of them does something "manly" then the others have to be seen to do it as well.

Many true manly activitys are not viewed as macho by the average teenaged lad or twenty something man, but if they think about it are much more manly than any of their macho activities.

Such as horse riding, it is oftein viewed in the UK as a girls activity. But I would like to ask the lads who say that how the lone ranger went from A to B.

Did he

A. Use a moped
B. Ride in the bus
C. Drive in a car
D. Ride a horse

Having done some riding, I would say it is a very physically demanding activity which also has a risk of injury. I have never fallen off but I have seen some other people fall off horses and that is painful !


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13 Jun 2009, 2:53 am

I have the opposite problem. I'm sick of being expected to be all weak and floosy.

I really enjoy manual labour at times. There's nothing quite like the good feeling you get after a hard day of strenuous physical work. :D

Guys offering to carry stuff for me (when it's clearly unnecessary) = :evil: . And they always act so shocked and affronted when I offer to carry stuff for them if they have a really heavy load!


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13 Jun 2009, 3:10 am

In Japan, it's actually in vogue right now for the guys to dress and look very feminine (sans skirts and heels, of course). I'm talkin' full-on hair, clothes, low muscle, etc. Overall, though, there's nothing wrong with being in touch with these parts of yourself. It'll make you a much more understanding mate.

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13 Jun 2009, 3:18 am

ViperaAspis wrote:
In Japan, it's actually in vogue right now for the guys to dress and look very feminine (sans skirts and heels, of course). I'm talkin' full-on hair, clothes, low muscle, etc. Overall, though, there's nothing wrong with being in touch with these parts of yourself. It'll make you a much more understanding mate.

@sunshower: Careful! You might get what you ask for ;)

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13 Jun 2009, 3:41 am

For the most interesting view of macho I ever read try the insider female perspective from the book Self Made Man by Norah Vincent

As for me, I just ignore gender stereotypes, no one looks down on me for not being macho.



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13 Jun 2009, 4:18 am

I don't undersad the whole acho thing, what does the word even derive from mexica , giggles childishly I tink it is a front as i logica that if we build a tough wall we are defending or hiding something



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13 Jun 2009, 5:05 am

Yeah there's macho and then there's being manly and they're not the same thing. I like (love) being a man but I don't need to do stupid s**t to affirm my position every time there are other males around. I've also noticed a lot of these macho men actually act like young women most of the time with their gossiping, extreme grooming (wtf is the hair gel craze all about?) and general bitchiness.

To me being a man is about taking responsibity for your actions and standing up for yourself and others that need it. Being macho is about being a dick and loving yourself for it.

Just my opinion of course ;)



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13 Jun 2009, 5:31 am

I find it both comical and irritating when men or women feel the need to overemphasize their gender. I had a roommate once who was very bright and well spoken until she got around a man. Then the hair flipping and the low throaty chuckles would begin. I used to stare at her open mouthed in fascination.



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13 Jun 2009, 9:34 am

I never got the macho thing either. It amuse me more, just reminds me of apes sticking out and thumping their chests. I do get annoyed when people expect me to be macho though jus cos I'm a guy. :)



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13 Jun 2009, 10:28 am

Yeah - I say down with gender expectations!

Screw it eh?

Live as your own person - great to live that way, as oppose to feeling pressured to be some macho conformist thing just because you're a guy, or ultra feminine just because you're a girl.


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13 Jun 2009, 10:28 am

There is a saying "good guys finish last" and that is probably true for teenagers.

The girls go for the studs, jocks and "bad boys".

The good news is that when girls are old enough to have some sense then they can see past that and choose a good and loving man. If they can't then you don't want to know them anyway.



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13 Jun 2009, 10:39 am

Most macho guys are usually homosexual, i think that's why we don't understand it it. Because most macho guys are "faking it".



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13 Jun 2009, 10:49 am

Wombat wrote:
The good news is that when girls are old enough to have some sense then they can see past that and choose a good and loving man.

Well, the good ones do, at least. ;)

I think being overly macho is oftentimes compensating for something that is lacking, usually security about one's identity. Those of use who are very secure in our sexuality simply don't need to outwardly demonstrate our sexuality to others.


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