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30 Jul 2009, 2:25 pm

Hi all
I'm new here, & I am a mom of a 17 yr old Aspie boy. I'm looking for support & guidance for him upon graduation from high school next year. He has no drive or ambition, & really does not want to do anything in life except stay home & take care of me & play video games . He has developed more interests as he's gotten older(videography, Technology, digital animation & likes the idea of working with animals). When approached about life after high school... furthering his education, he only will do it if I insist. He'll only do it for me. He is an only child troubled with low self esteem for many years... very shy, not social, & developed interests & friends in the online & video game world.Since being in high school he's developed 3 friendships but only in school. I have encouraged him to invite his friends over, call them on the phone, but he says they are too busy. He's driving now... has his permit & does well, but is not really interested in driving, but only does it because his dad & I insist. He drives well, except tends to zone out while driving, so we're teaching him, along with what his drivers ed instructor taught him on how to break the monotony by looking at different things while driving. He is very worried about life after high school... scared of the future & does not want to have to live on his own, or away from his family. We encourage him & tell him it is really cool & his cousins did it & they also never thought about it being scarey.. it will come to you. We did reassure him that he didn't have to move out once he finished high school, but he did need to work, so he needs to further his education a bit more. He tells us he's afraid of dying, his dad & I dying, & who will take care of him when this happens. He's not normally an anxious child, but I see where he does post this alot when emailing on messaging with his online friends & his step brother. I guess I'm looking for any parents who have teens getting ready to venture out into the world after high school, & what do you do to relieve the anxieties & panic your child had or has on growing up & autonomy. I get very sad thinking he may never find a nice girl to marry.. (I never let on to him I feel this way) I have a female cousin in her 40's that we think is Aspie, & she's never married, a few girlfriends, but only a few boyfriends over her years, & she's on her own & has resigned herself to being alone with her animals. My brother.. in his 50's still single, Aspie traits also(never diagnosed) engaged once may years ago, but called it off, & is still single.
Do you think he needs outside counselling again? Any more I can do to help him spread his wings? I offer to take him to friends houses, offer to pick up friends, encourage him to accept offers from his 3 friends at school to hang out in their neighborhood, but he says... "I'm not ready yet". What's a mom to do.... :?
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30 Jul 2009, 3:14 pm

It sounds like a counselor would be a good place to start.


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30 Jul 2009, 4:00 pm

First things first, welcome to the forums! I hope you'll find them very helpful.

From what you said, I don't think college would be the right choice at all, for him or for you. It is very clear that you want nothing but the best for him, but right now putting him in college would just be uprooting him and placing him in a completely unfamiliar situation. He would be completely lost, and you would be more stressed worrying about him than you have ever been. I think a year at home (or possibly a year of community college) would be the best plan.

His interests, luckily, translate VERY well to potential careers. I think it would make him much less nervous about the future if he realizes it means he can learn even more about what he's interested in.

As for the fear of you dying, this may seem a little morbid to sit down and talk about, but it would help his anxiety greatly to have a plan in place.

I think scheduling counseling would help greatly (not just for him, it would also make your anxiety much easier to deal with). I hope I have helped a little.


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30 Jul 2009, 4:24 pm

Without going into details, I think the first thing is to realize that AS kids can take quite a bit longer to "grow up" than "normal" kids. Which means that all the milestones like seeking independence are on a different time schedule. That does not mean he never will, just that he isn't ready at 17 like the other kids are. Think through his childhood and you'll probably see many, many examples of this. He's probably feeling the way a 13 year old (or maybe 15) would if suddenly forced to confront independence; we would all expect those reactions from a much younger child, and accept that there was still maturing and growing up to do. Well, that is most likely the case with your son. He isn't emotionally ready for the steps he is supposed to take.

I think if you accept that and allow him to live more his emotional age, he will get what he needs to advance, on his own time, to the next level. Exactly how that would play out for your unique child and family will be up to you and your child. Just let him be "young" for a little longer. Ask of him what you would ask of a younger child. I know it gets hard because our kids are so bright and way ahead of their peers in other ways, but these steps come down to emotional maturity much more.


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30 Jul 2009, 4:28 pm

personally i was sort like, still sorta am. i have no drive because the aspie condition means being anti-social. most aspects of life are social. as for me the constant stress, depression,low-self-esteem, lack of confidence that accompanies this condition overshadowed my views of life. it's like living in a fog. and just like being lost in a fog. you're uncertain of where you're going. it lends a veil of uncertainty to everything you do which can undermine your efforts. uncertain what you want to do in life. it's hard to have ambition if you lack a decided direction to focus that in or if you're clueless of where to begin. getting him informed is key. thoroughly informed.

if he's new to driving it may just be that the concentration it requires is stressful to him. we're not good multitaskers and not very good at throwing our full attention in multiple areas at once like destination, how fast we're going, staying in the lines, etc all at once. he may be able to pull it off smoothly, but the stress may be uncomfortable. i know i was certainly like that for a while. i only started liking driving once i'd actually gotten more of a hang on it and it started coming more natural and reflexively. i make great use of my peripherals. also, if he's not very social, maybe he just doesn't see the value of driving if he doesn't have anywhere he actually wants to go. it's an interest based on practicality. i certainly thought it was pointless to drive around without a set destination.

as for convincing him that to move out is ok and he'll be fine, he just needs to learn some more skills that are compatible along that line. he's also prolly not too cool with moving out of his comfort zone and the change seems drastic, a wander into the unknown. once he gets a car that should help some. getting a job too would boost his confidence in his ability to move out by himself and support himself, then ease him through the transition maybe take him around to prospective places take a look at apartments, discuss the merits of having a roomie to split costs, go over living expenses so it's not a huge surprise how much it costs to live these days. if he doesn't know anything about housekeeping now's a good time to start. etc. i could go on a long while.

youhave alot of work ahead of you. good luck.


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30 Jul 2009, 7:13 pm

John_Browning wrote:
It sounds like a counselor would be a good place to start.


Thank you for your reply. :D



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30 Jul 2009, 7:21 pm

pat2rome wrote:
First things first, welcome to the forums! I hope you'll find them very helpful.

From what you said, I don't think college would be the right choice at all, for him or for you. It is very clear that you want nothing but the best for him, but right now putting him in college would just be uprooting him and placing him in a completely unfamiliar situation. He would be completely lost, and you would be more stressed worrying about him than you have ever been. I think a year at home (or possibly a year of community college) would be the best plan.

His interests, luckily, translate VERY well to potential careers. I think it would make him much less nervous about the future if he realizes it means he can learn even more about what he's interested in.

As for the fear of you dying, this may seem a little morbid to sit down and talk about, but it would help his anxiety greatly to have a plan in place.

I think scheduling counseling would help greatly (not just for him, it would also make your anxiety much easier to deal with). I hope I have helped a little.




Community college is where I would encourage him to go. If he doesn't, I'll have to fight with him about getting a job at the market or Mc Donalds or something, because he is afraid to work. Says he doesn't think he'll be good at it.
The community college is 5 min. down the road & maybe a certificate program?



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30 Jul 2009, 7:25 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Without going into details, I think the first thing is to realize that AS kids can take quite a bit longer to "grow up" than "normal" kids. Which means that all the milestones like seeking independence are on a different time schedule. That does not mean he never will, just that he isn't ready at 17 like the other kids are. Think through his childhood and you'll probably see many, many examples of this. He's probably feeling the way a 13 year old (or maybe 15) would if suddenly forced to confront independence; we would all expect those reactions from a much younger child, and accept that there was still maturing and growing up to do. Well, that is most likely the case with your son. He isn't emotionally ready for the steps he is supposed to take.

I think if you accept that and allow him to live more his emotional age, he will get what he needs to advance, on his own time, to the next level. Exactly how that would play out for your unique child and family will be up to you and your child. Just let him be "young" for a little longer. Ask of him what you would ask of a younger child. I know it gets hard because our kids are so bright and way ahead of their peers in other ways, but these steps come down to emotional maturity much more.



Thanx!
I never thought about just taking my time with him after high school, & easing him into community college... take a semester or 2 off so he can still be a "boy" & maybe by that time he'll have caught up maturity wise with his peers, & be somewhat ready for a certificate program at community college in web page designs, video game design(which our community college has a class) or Veterinary tech (he's a natural with animals... a "Dr Doolittle" as I call him :D



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30 Jul 2009, 7:32 pm

Hi Mary,

I hope you won't mind my replying even though I'm not the demographic you were looking for. I'm a 40yo parent of an 8yo aspie and I'm replying mainly because I can see myself and my mother in your post.

I can't tell you that everything will be perfect because everyone is different but I can tell you how it was for me... and it all worked out in the end.


NJMary wrote:
He has no drive or ambition,...


Neither did I. In fact, I still don't. I've been in the same job for 10 years and my last two jobs were 6 and 8 years duration. It's only when I get too annoyed by my bosses or when my wife gives me a giant push that I move on.

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(videography, Technology, digital animation & likes the idea of working with animals).


The aspie special interests are key. Whatever your son likes, he will do well in. Whatever he doesn't like... don't push him towards.

You might consider some work experience... can he get a weekend job washing animals, working in a zoo or pet store? Alternatively, you could consider getting him into a technology job. Whatever happens, a job before leaving school will give him a good indication of what he should do when he finishes. If he likes school and if there's a compatible job, he might consider tertiary studies but if not, then at least he should be able to identify the industry he'd like to work in.


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not social, & developed interests & friends in the online & video game world.Since being in high school....
he's developed 3 friendships



When I left school, my friends and I fragmented. Not that we were very close outside of school anyway. I ended up with three left (one of whom has only returned from the fold in the last 10 years). My two remaining friends are, to this day, 20+ years after school, my best friends. We still don't go out a lot but we always know that we can rely upon eachother. In my six years of university, I never made one friend. Similarly, in all my working years, I haven't really made proper lasting work-friends.

Don't worry about it... those three friends will be enough.


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He's driving now... has his permit & does well, but is not really interested in driving, but only does it because his dad & I insist. He drives well, except tends to zone out while driving,


Again, I was the same. These days my wife does most of the driving. I can drive and I'm happy to drive if she doesn't want to but otherwise, I'm ok with being a passenger. In any case, my tendency to "zone out" while driving can sometimes (not often) be a liability.


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...scared of the future & does not want to have to live on his own, or away from his family.


I've never lived alone.
I've never lived away from family. I went straight from home to move in with my fiancee.


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....his cousins did it & they also never thought about it being scarey.. it will come to you.


It will come but there's no need to rush it. Especially not at his age.


NJMary wrote:
He tells us he's afraid of dying, his dad & I dying, & who will take care of him when this happens.


This, I'll admit is a bit worriesome. It's an early sign of schizophrenia. One of my best friends has it. (as does my other best friend's brother). It's common, it's treatable but it can be dangerous when it's untreated. Don't stress over it but get it checked out... just to be safe. I'm sure your son doesn't have the problem but it would be good to give him a chance to talk to a professional.


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I get very sad thinking he may never find a nice girl to marry.. (I never let on to him I feel this way)


Wow... you have his life mapped out for him... No, really, just cut him some slack. Things have a way of making themselves work. Your son may not be interested in the opposite sex yet. He might be shy or there might be other reasons. I'm married. I know lots of aspies who are married.


The only thing I would point out though is that when you're young and going out with young girls, they tend to be a little more forgiving of young men's stupid mistakes. Your son should be encouraged to "clock up a few hours" of boy/girl time where he can go out - no strings attached and say completely the wrong things to girls. Better to make those mistakes now, than when you're in your thirties.

In the end though, it's his choice.


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I have a female cousin in her 40's that we think is Aspie, & she's never married, a few girlfriends, but only a few boyfriends over her years, & she's on her own & has resigned herself to being alone with her animals. My brother.. in his 50's still single, Aspie traits also(never diagnosed) engaged once may years ago, but called it off, & is still single.



Everybody is different. Everyone chooses their own path.

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Do you think he needs outside counselling again? Any more I can do to help him spread his wings? I offer to take him to friends houses, offer to pick up friends, encourage him to accept offers from his 3 friends at school to hang out in their neighborhood, but he says... "I'm not ready yet". What's a mom to do....


I think that right now, you're probably stressing too much.

I'd make one thing clear though. Make sure that he knows that when school ends, he's an adult. He will be expected to either go to further education AND/OR get a job. He will be expected to pay you "Board"... If you can, don't spend the board money, keep it for Christmas or to help him out when he needs it. You're not trying to take money off him - you're trying to teach him to meet his expenses on time.

Don't harp on about these things. Just let him know and let him know that you're there for him.

It will all work out - you sound like a great mother - my mother was too and I do appreaciate what she did for me at that age - even though I probably didn't show that appreciation as well as I should have.



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30 Jul 2009, 7:37 pm

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personally i was sort like, still sorta am. i have no drive because the aspie condition means being anti-social. most aspects of life are social. as for me the constant stress, depression,low-self-esteem, lack of confidence that accompanies this condition overshadowed my views of life. it's like living in a fog. and just like being lost in a fog. you're uncertain of where you're going. it lends a veil of uncertainty to everything you do which can undermine your efforts. uncertain what you want to do in life. it's hard to have ambition if you lack a decided direction to focus that in or if you're clueless of where to begin. getting him informed is key. thoroughly informed.

if he's new to driving it may just be that the concentration it requires is stressful to him. we're not good multitaskers and not very good at throwing our full attention in multiple areas at once like destination, how fast we're going, staying in the lines, etc all at once. he may be able to pull it off smoothly, but the stress may be uncomfortable. i know i was certainly like that for a while. i only started liking driving once i'd actually gotten more of a hang on it and it started coming more natural and reflexively. i make great use of my peripherals. also, if he's not very social, maybe he just doesn't see the value of driving if he doesn't have anywhere he actually wants to go. it's an interest based on practicality. i certainly thought it was pointless to drive around without a set destination.

as for convincing him that to move out is ok and he'll be fine, he just needs to learn some more skills that are compatible along that line. he's also prolly not too cool with moving out of his comfort zone and the change seems drastic, a wander into the unknown. once he gets a car that should help some. getting a job too would boost his confidence in his ability to move out by himself and support himself, then ease him through the transition maybe take him around to prospective places take a look at apartments, discuss the merits of having a roomie to split costs, go over living expenses so it's not a huge surprise how much it costs to live these days. if he doesn't know anything about housekeeping now's a good time to start. etc. i could go on a long while.

youhave alot of work ahead of you. good luck.




Thanx Sean for your reply. I see a lot of my son in you from your writing. :D
I checked out your My Space page... Impressive. My son has a You Tube page since he's into videos & sharing them with people. He mostly likes to video his matches on his WII online & also following the family animals around the house & taping them. I will take my time with him. I'm hoping I can get him to get a job after high school... he feels he won't be good at anything. Little does he know how many things I think, & others think he's good at. Guess he has to realize that though. No matter how many times I praise him & tell him positive stuff, he has to believe it too. He has a Facebook page now... I thought maybe that will help with the social piece... keeping in touch & teaching him social networking.
I appreciate your advice here. Thank you



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30 Jul 2009, 7:47 pm

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Hi Mary,

I hope you won't mind my replying even though I'm not the demographic you were looking for. I'm a 40yo parent of an 8yo aspie and I'm replying mainly because I can see myself and my mother in your post.

I can't tell you that everything will be perfect because everyone is different but I can tell you how it was for me... and it all worked out in the end.


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He has no drive or ambition,...


Neither did I. In fact, I still don't. I've been in the same job for 10 years and my last two jobs were 6 and 8 years duration. It's only when I get too annoyed by my bosses or when my wife gives me a giant push that I move on.

NJMary wrote:
(videography, Technology, digital animation & likes the idea of working with animals).


The aspie special interests are key. Whatever your son likes, he will do well in. Whatever he doesn't like... don't push him towards.

You might consider some work experience... can he get a weekend job washing animals, working in a zoo or pet store? Alternatively, you could consider getting him into a technology job. Whatever happens, a job before leaving school will give him a good indication of what he should do when he finishes. If he likes school and if there's a compatible job, he might consider tertiary studies but if not, then at least he should be able to identify the industry he'd like to work in.


NJMary wrote:
not social, & developed interests & friends in the online & video game world.Since being in high school....
he's developed 3 friendships



When I left school, my friends and I fragmented. Not that we were very close outside of school anyway. I ended up with three left (one of whom has only returned from the fold in the last 10 years). My two remaining friends are, to this day, 20+ years after school, my best friends. We still don't go out a lot but we always know that we can rely upon eachother. In my six years of university, I never made one friend. Similarly, in all my working years, I haven't really made proper lasting work-friends.

Don't worry about it... those three friends will be enough.


NJMary wrote:
He's driving now... has his permit & does well, but is not really interested in driving, but only does it because his dad & I insist. He drives well, except tends to zone out while driving,


Again, I was the same. These days my wife does most of the driving. I can drive and I'm happy to drive if she doesn't want to but otherwise, I'm ok with being a passenger. In any case, my tendency to "zone out" while driving can sometimes (not often) be a liability.


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...scared of the future & does not want to have to live on his own, or away from his family.


I've never lived alone.
I've never lived away from family. I went straight from home to move in with my fiancee.


NJMary wrote:
....his cousins did it & they also never thought about it being scarey.. it will come to you.


It will come but there's no need to rush it. Especially not at his age.


NJMary wrote:
He tells us he's afraid of dying, his dad & I dying, & who will take care of him when this happens.


This, I'll admit is a bit worriesome. It's an early sign of schizophrenia. One of my best friends has it. (as does my other best friend's brother). It's common, it's treatable but it can be dangerous when it's untreated. Don't stress over it but get it checked out... just to be safe. I'm sure your son doesn't have the problem but it would be good to give him a chance to talk to a professional.


NJMary wrote:
I get very sad thinking he may never find a nice girl to marry.. (I never let on to him I feel this way)


Wow... you have his life mapped out for him... No, really, just cut him some slack. Things have a way of making themselves work. Your son may not be interested in the opposite sex yet. He might be shy or there might be other reasons. I'm married. I know lots of aspies who are married.


The only thing I would point out though is that when you're young and going out with young girls, they tend to be a little more forgiving of young men's stupid mistakes. Your son should be encouraged to "clock up a few hours" of boy/girl time where he can go out - no strings attached and say completely the wrong things to girls. Better to make those mistakes now, than when you're in your thirties.

In the end though, it's his choice.


NJMary wrote:
I have a female cousin in her 40's that we think is Aspie, & she's never married, a few girlfriends, but only a few boyfriends over her years, & she's on her own & has resigned herself to being alone with her animals. My brother.. in his 50's still single, Aspie traits also(never diagnosed) engaged once may years ago, but called it off, & is still single.



Everybody is different. Everyone chooses their own path.

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Do you think he needs outside counselling again? Any more I can do to help him spread his wings? I offer to take him to friends houses, offer to pick up friends, encourage him to accept offers from his 3 friends at school to hang out in their neighborhood, but he says... "I'm not ready yet". What's a mom to do....


I think that right now, you're probably stressing too much.

I'd make one thing clear though. Make sure that he knows that when school ends, he's an adult. He will be expected to either go to further education AND/OR get a job. He will be expected to pay you "Board"... If you can, don't spend the board money, keep it for Christmas or to help him out when he needs it. You're not trying to take money off him - you're trying to teach him to meet his expenses on time.

Don't harp on about these things. Just let him know and let him know that you're there for him.

It will all work out - you sound like a great mother - my mother was too and I do appreaciate what she did for me at that age - even though I probably didn't show that appreciation as well as I should have.

Thank you for your post. It really touched me.
I just found this site today... posted a few times about this same thing with my son, & ya know... I'm smiling & feeling a bit better now. Just the few posters & yourself have opened my eyes a bit wider. :D



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I was like him. I only did things for my mum; pursued a career in IT for my mum, went to TAFE for my mum, went job searching for my mum.
With me it never registered in my brain that people work to support themselves and it's something that everyone does. I know that they do now unfortunately I'm on disability because my psychiatrist thinks it's best I not work.
Make him pursue his new interests. I was into animation too.
Don't force him to hang out with friends. It annoys me when my mum does that to me and when I invite people over to my home I don't know what to do. Just let him get more social in his own time.


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30 Jul 2009, 8:32 pm

My husband does most of the driving even though I have my license and *can* drive. I prefer not to because I do tend to zone off a lot. I get disoriented easily and have a hard time with things like distance between cars and navigating around a construction zone for instance.

Driving makes me extremely anxious and I prefer not to. Perhaps its that way for your son also.



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I was like him. I only did things for my mum; pursued a career in IT for my mum, went to TAFE for my mum, went job searching for my mum.
With me it never registered in my brain that people work to support themselves and it's something that everyone does. I know that they do now unfortunately I'm on disability because my psychiatrist thinks it's best I not work.
Make him pursue his new interests. I was into animation too.
Don't force him to hang out with friends. It annoys me when my mum does that to me and when I invite people over to my home I don't know what to do. Just let him get more social in his own time.



Thank you for your reply.
Hearing from guys around his age does help make it less worrisome for me. I gusee as a mom I'll always worry, but the important thing is never let him know or see I worry.



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My husband does most of the driving even though I have my license and *can* drive. I prefer not to because I do tend to zone off a lot. I get disoriented easily and have a hard time with things like distance between cars and navigating around a construction zone for instance.

Driving makes me extremely anxious and I prefer not to. Perhaps its that way for your son also.



Thanx for your reply
Ya know... when I ask my son if he's nervous when driving, he says "no... I'm very comfortable". I wonder if "too comfortable" & thta's why he tends to "zone out". I think he has tunnel vision, when he needs to be constantly looking around. Ya know, also, when he was doing the driving with the driving school instructor, he told him & myself that it felt like he was driving in one of his video games! Arrrggghhhh.. :lol:



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30 Jul 2009, 10:16 pm

I have that problem. I will "zone out" doing any task that is not mentally stimulating enough--and will "zone out" if a task is overwhelming. When I drive, I listen to a book on tape while I do it. It helps me stay focused by--oddly enough--distracting me from the sameness of the road!


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